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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:39 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You people still dont get it, Turkey is delighted even more delay and no kicking out, she does and says what she wants and the EU havent got the balls to tell her to get lost, this speaks volumes for those who are intelligent and unbiased enough to understand.


Don’t be daft. How is the EU going to get Turkey to do what it wants by formally ending its EU accession? Use your brain.

Turkey has been effectively put on probation for four more months and is being given just one chapter to open with conditions attached and every country has the right of veto.

The EU are stringing Turkey along and you can’t dress it up as anything else. Its EU accession freeze has been extended for four more months. The EU is giving Turkey the absolute minimum short of kicking it out.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:32 am

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You people still dont get it, Turkey is delighted even more delay and no kicking out, she does and says what she wants and the EU havent got the balls to tell her to get lost, this speaks volumes for those who are intelligent and unbiased enough to understand.


Don’t be daft. How is the EU going to get Turkey to do what it wants by formally ending its EU accession? Use your brain.

Turkey has been effectively put on probation for four more months and is being given just one chapter to open with conditions attached and every country has the right of veto.

The EU are stringing Turkey along and you can’t dress it up as anything else. Its EU accession freeze has been extended for four more months. The EU is giving Turkey the absolute minimum short of kicking it out.


But Turkey has not been and will not do what the EU wants, stringing her along will not change a thing, we all know full well that Turkey is not a EU nation nor does it think like Europeans, of course this is not the end of the world and imo Turkey is far better off out of the aging crumbling EU. The EU is not being honest here they should just come out and say no thanks next....what are they afraid of? what are the ramificaitons? and how does a disengaged Turkey hold for the GCs who think they have leverage over Turkey? what will they do if the can no longer veto Turkeys "chapters"?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:30 am

Viewpoint wrote:
The EU is not being honest here they should just come out and say no thanks next....what are they afraid of? what are the ramificaitons? and how does a disengaged Turkey hold for the GCs who think they have leverage over Turkey? what will they do if the can no longer veto Turkeys "chapters"?


The EU is not one monolithic block with one voice. There are different opinions in the EU about whether Turkey should be allowed to join. Just as there are different voices and interests in Turkey about whether it should join the EU.

As long as the process is continuing then Turkey will be under pressure to conform to EU demands. That leaves Cyprus with leverage as it is blocking six chapters and the EU is blocking eight in relation to the Ankara Protocol.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:39 am

Yes and on the Ankara Protocol ... and our very good friend, the German Chancellor Frau Merkel, has run out of patience with Erdogan on another matter by bringing in the Ankara Protocol, that's to say a normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY and the opening of ports and air-space, in to the current discussion on whether to open a Chapter in October.

This is what she had to say...

...“We must make progress on the issue of the Ankara Protocol - that is actually the most enduring barrier,” Merkel said June 24 at the Turkish-German Chamber of Commerce in Berlin, adding that all other issues could be clarified “at some point.” ...

Some more at... http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/german ... sCatID=351
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:10 am

Does Erdoğan look like a man concerned about making the EU happy? he really doesnt give two hoots or he could easily jump through the EU hurdles...the EU perspective went out the window a long time ago for the Turkish people and with it the GC leverage.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:14 am

Viewpoint wrote:Does Erdoğan look like a man concerned about making the EU happy? he really doesnt give two hoots or he could easily jump through the EU hurdles...the EU perspective went out the window a long time ago for the Turkish people and with it the GC leverage.


He does not look like a man concerend about making the EU happy but I disagree with your assertion that he could easily jump the EU's hurdles. All that is left then is for him to end the accession process because come October, he will have a lot more to comply with which I cant see him doing.

The US has just signaled that they would like Turkey to return Varosha to the RoC (unconditionally) before the resumption of the sh*t talks in October.. (what a coincidence)
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:19 pm

There is something definately going on behind the scenes about Maraş (Varosha) but I dont think it will be unconditionally, I think the payoff will be Ercan airport under EU superivision, this will be put into the mix when Turkey applies the Ankara protocal and opens up her ports to the south. I support Maraş being reopened whether the GCs want it or not encouraging previous dwellers to return or inviting invstors from abroad to bring the place upto world standards, could be the best holiday spot in the med if handled right.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:29 pm

varosa was offered once before unconditionally and was refused. i suspect it wll be refused again if offered. it is a double edge sword. If it is returned and accpeted the world community will view recognising north in a different way.

i cannot see it being given back without ercan opening to the world. we don't give it back, what habve we got to lose. bugger all.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:11 pm

Lordo wrote:varosa was offered once before unconditionally and was refused. i suspect it wll be refused again if offered. it is a double edge sword. If it is returned and accpeted the world community will view recognising north in a different way.

i cannot see it being given back without ercan opening to the world. we don't give it back, what habve we got to lose. bugger all.


Who refused this offer and why?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby CBBB » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:32 pm

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:varosa was offered once before unconditionally and was refused. i suspect it wll be refused again if offered. it is a double edge sword. If it is returned and accpeted the world community will view recognising north in a different way.

i cannot see it being given back without ercan opening to the world. we don't give it back, what habve we got to lose. bugger all.


Who refused this offer and why?


It is lordo shit, it has never been offered unconditionally.
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