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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 12, 2015 2:38 pm

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Tim Drayton wrote: ... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....


Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution! :roll:

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!


This is known as an ad hominem argument where, incapable of addressing the arguments,


I didn't comment on you ( as a person) at all but addressed what I thought on what you wrote.

But, deflect away .... :roll:


You said: "Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!" when I described how I envisage a bi-communal, bi-zonal federal Cyprus would be structured. It has nothing to do with whether I would love it or not. You presume, incorrectly, that I am a supporter of British imperialism, and that is why I am supposed to be arguing in favour of such a solution, when I am not, I am simply describing the structure that it would lead to - irrespective of whether or not I support it or think it would work. This is crass ad hominem argumentation and does not become any intelligent person.

Who is deflecting? If you disagree with my description of the way in which a bi-communal, bi-zonal federal Cyprus would be structured, if it came into being, and why this would almost certainly result in Turkish becoming an official EU language, address the issue instead of calling me a colonialist.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue May 12, 2015 2:48 pm

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These racist people are incapable of answering such questions Tim. More often than not they'll come back saying we invaded in 1571 and shouldn't even be here. I visit many forums, political, motoring, aviation, health to name but a few, I have not seen anything like what I see on this forum. The GC's are in a different league altogether. I must admit it frightens me at times knowing my community is only a stone throw away from such dangerous people.


The thing is, MR-from-NG, that I live in Limassol in an ordinary suburb in a flat where all my neighbours are Greek Cypriot, and I do not find the people I encounter in my daily life here like this at all. In fact, I was once chatting to one of my neighbour's fathers, who is a refugee, and mentioned that I could speak Turkish, half expecting to get a punch, but instead he started speaking to me in fluent Turkish - it seems he grew up in a mixed village. I had another interesting experience not long ago at a cafeteria in the centre of Limassol. I manged to use my faultering Greek to order a cup of tea. A very elderly Greek Cypriot man was standing beside me, and next to him was a tap where you can pour yourself some water into a plastic cup if you want one. This old man poured me some water into a cup and passed it to me, saying something incomprehensible. Seeing my puzzlement, he repeated the same thing, but I still couldn't understand and just thanked him. However, when I sat down at a table, it suddenly struck me what that old fellow had said. It was 'su isten?' I am sure of it. 'Do you want water, and in non-standard Cypriot Turkish to boot. That chap, hearing somebody struggle to speak Greek, assumed that I was a Turkish Cypriot and spoke to me in what he thought was my language. I think there are many Greek Cypriot people who have no problems accepting the bilingual (or even multilingual) character of Cyprus. Some of the fanatics, here, are scary, though, and make you wonder if peace can ever come to Cyprus.


That's good to know Tim. I have also had some positive experiences with my distant cousins but the negatives outweigh them by a country mile. Such a shame really, we have so much in common and yet we cant even tolerate one another's language.

I know you've spent a considerable time in Turkey and you are fluent in Turkish. You are now living in the ROC so you are in a good position to see the 2 communities for what they really are, your comments above are encouraging so lets hope the people that really matter will negotiate a well overdue peaceful resolution to this beautiful island of ours.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 12, 2015 2:56 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
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These racist people are incapable of answering such questions Tim. More often than not they'll come back saying we invaded in 1571 and shouldn't even be here. I visit many forums, political, motoring, aviation, health to name but a few, I have not seen anything like what I see on this forum. The GC's are in a different league altogether. I must admit it frightens me at times knowing my community is only a stone throw away from such dangerous people.


The thing is, MR-from-NG, that I live in Limassol in an ordinary suburb in a flat where all my neighbours are Greek Cypriot, and I do not find the people I encounter in my daily life here like this at all. In fact, I was once chatting to one of my neighbour's fathers, who is a refugee, and mentioned that I could speak Turkish, half expecting to get a punch, but instead he started speaking to me in fluent Turkish - it seems he grew up in a mixed village. I had another interesting experience not long ago at a cafeteria in the centre of Limassol. I manged to use my faultering Greek to order a cup of tea. A very elderly Greek Cypriot man was standing beside me, and next to him was a tap where you can pour yourself some water into a plastic cup if you want one. This old man poured me some water into a cup and passed it to me, saying something incomprehensible. Seeing my puzzlement, he repeated the same thing, but I still couldn't understand and just thanked him. However, when I sat down at a table, it suddenly struck me what that old fellow had said. It was 'su isten?' I am sure of it. 'Do you want water, and in non-standard Cypriot Turkish to boot. That chap, hearing somebody struggle to speak Greek, assumed that I was a Turkish Cypriot and spoke to me in what he thought was my language. I think there are many Greek Cypriot people who have no problems accepting the bilingual (or even multilingual) character of Cyprus. Some of the fanatics, here, are scary, though, and make you wonder if peace can ever come to Cyprus.


That's good to know Tim. I have also had some positive experiences with my distant cousins but the negatives outweigh them by a country mile. Such a shame really, we have so much in common and yet we cant even tolerate one another's language.

I know you've spent a considerable time in Turkey and you are fluent in Turkish. You are now living in the ROC so you are in a good position to see the 2 communities for what they really are, your comments above are encouraging so lets hope the people that really matter will negotiate a well overdue peaceful resolution to this beautiful island of ours.


I question how representative of Greek speaking Cypriots "g"IG, Kurupetos, Youloser and that like are: here they have a voice and are probably shouting loudest in the hope they can be heard - I am however minded to recall sayings about empty vessels ..... and I am not sure who is reading.....
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 12, 2015 3:24 pm

MR-from-NG wrote: Such a shame really, we have so much in common and yet we cant even tolerate one another's language.


Sad, isn't it? And all because of a few old bilingual tickets and receipts.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue May 12, 2015 3:27 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
These racist people are incapable of answering such questions Tim. More often than not they'll come back saying we invaded in 1571 and shouldn't even be here. I visit many forums, political, motoring, aviation, health to name but a few, I have not seen anything like what I see on this forum. The GC's are in a different league altogether. I must admit it frightens me at times knowing my community is only a stone throw away from such dangerous people.


The thing is, MR-from-NG, that I live in Limassol in an ordinary suburb in a flat where all my neighbours are Greek Cypriot, and I do not find the people I encounter in my daily life here like this at all. In fact, I was once chatting to one of my neighbour's fathers, who is a refugee, and mentioned that I could speak Turkish, half expecting to get a punch, but instead he started speaking to me in fluent Turkish - it seems he grew up in a mixed village. I had another interesting experience not long ago at a cafeteria in the centre of Limassol. I manged to use my faultering Greek to order a cup of tea. A very elderly Greek Cypriot man was standing beside me, and next to him was a tap where you can pour yourself some water into a plastic cup if you want one. This old man poured me some water into a cup and passed it to me, saying something incomprehensible. Seeing my puzzlement, he repeated the same thing, but I still couldn't understand and just thanked him. However, when I sat down at a table, it suddenly struck me what that old fellow had said. It was 'su isten?' I am sure of it. 'Do you want water, and in non-standard Cypriot Turkish to boot. That chap, hearing somebody struggle to speak Greek, assumed that I was a Turkish Cypriot and spoke to me in what he thought was my language. I think there are many Greek Cypriot people who have no problems accepting the bilingual (or even multilingual) character of Cyprus. Some of the fanatics, here, are scary, though, and make you wonder if peace can ever come to Cyprus.


That's good to know Tim. I have also had some positive experiences with my distant cousins but the negatives outweigh them by a country mile. Such a shame really, we have so much in common and yet we cant even tolerate one another's language.

I know you've spent a considerable time in Turkey and you are fluent in Turkish. You are now living in the ROC so you are in a good position to see the 2 communities for what they really are, your comments above are encouraging so lets hope the people that really matter will negotiate a well overdue peaceful resolution to this beautiful island of ours.


I question how representative of Greek speaking Cypriots "g"IG, Kurupetos, Youloser and that like are: here they have a voice and are probably shouting loudest in the hope they can be heard - I am however minded to recall sayings about empty vessels ..... and I am not sure who is reading.....


Fair point supporttheunderdog, the less of this kind of people amongst us the better chance we have of living side by side in peace and harmony.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue May 12, 2015 3:33 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote: Such a shame really, we have so much in common and yet we cant even tolerate one another's language.


Sad, isn't it? And all because of a few old bilingual tickets and receipts.


Sad but fact Tim. I'd like to think the people on the forum are not a true representation of the general GC community. If they are though, we are truly screwed :shock:
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby B25 » Tue May 12, 2015 3:38 pm

Typical Turkish hypocrisy.

Why not look in your own back yard like Mustidojo, thats wants to kill us all, Bigoz, that wants to meetup in Larnaca to beat us all up, Lordo that thinks we desrve all we got including the raping amd murdering of young girls and women or VP who doesn't want Greek spoke near his kids.

In short go F yourself, get your own in order first before to throw stones.

As for the 2 British pricks here they know who they are, their comments are worthless, perhaps they should just F.O back to their own countries and spread their shit there.

And if it is any consolation there are many more like the names listed above, the few traitors here are just that, may they rot in hell.

BBF = disguised partition, is racist, apartheid, unfair, unworkable and legitimises the invasion. The 12% TCs just want to keep what they stole, period.

Have a nice F day.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 12, 2015 3:54 pm

B25 wrote:Typical Turkish hypocrisy.

Why not look in your own back yard like Mustidojo, thats wants to kill us all, Bigoz, that wants to meetup in Larnaca to beat us all up, Lordo that thinks we desrve all we got including the raping amd murdering of young girls and women or VP who doesn't want Greek spoke near his kids.

In short go F yourself, get your own in order first before to throw stones.

As for the 2 British pricks here they know who they are, their comments are worthless, perhaps they should just F.O back to their own countries and spread their shit there.

And if it is any consolation there are many more like the names listed above, the few traitors here are just that, may they rot in hell.

BBF = disguised partition, is racist, apartheid, unfair, unworkable and legitimises the invasion. The 12% TCs just want to keep what they stole, period.

Have a nice F day.


Have a nice day, too. I would love to be able to have an intelligent, rational debate with you but, going by the above, you do not appear to be capable of that.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue May 12, 2015 4:00 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote: ... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....


Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution! :roll:

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!


How do you envisage the bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution that is on the negotiating table?


It'll never work and will not be voted in. Regardless of what the UN and others are trying to pressurise us to accept.

The is the most racist set up ever and not in line with the EU primary laws. This is just another fucked up system to be imposed and the 1960's problems will just come back.


You haven't answered the question. I am not asking if you support it or if you think it will work. If you do not think that my description of what will result as "the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language" is correct, please describe the federal state that you envisage will result. Thank you.


B25, Tim asked you a straight forward question. I posted back saying you were incapable and you would more likely come back with nonsense like "They invaded in 1571, they don't even belong here". How about giving a straight forward answer to Tim's question and proving me wrong?
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 12, 2015 4:11 pm

B25 wrote:Typical Turkish hypocrisy.

Why not look in your own back yard like Mustidojo, thats wants to kill us all, Bigoz, that wants to meetup in Larnaca to beat us all up, Lordo that thinks we desrve all we got including the raping amd murdering of young girls and women or VP who doesn't want Greek spoke near his kids.

In short go F yourself, get your own in order first before to throw stones.

As for the 2 British pricks here they know who they are, their comments are worthless, perhaps they should just F.O back to their own countries and spread their shit there.

And if it is any consolation there are many more like the names listed above, the few traitors here are just that, may they rot in hell.

BBF = disguised partition, is racist, apartheid, unfair, unworkable and legitimises the invasion. The 12% TCs just want to keep what they stole, period.

Have a nice F day.

I would say get fucked to you but I would not like the idea of you enjoying yourself. I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
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