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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby Get Real! » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:14 pm

Lordo wrote:quite the opposite, cyprus needs a solution more than ever. with erdogan and akp in charge we shall have 5 million settlers in the next 5 years. who is going to stop them.

Do you have 5 million job vacancies waiting for them? :roll:

Anyway, what's going to stop Turkish crimes both in Cyprus and elsewhere has already arrived and settled in the ME.

By this time next year everyone in this region will be learning Russian.
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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby DrCyprus » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:21 pm

I will agree with Lordo and say that the first step forward is to create a common education policy so that people can start learning to love being Cypriot.

Enough with letting our young Turkish speaking youth to be brainwashed by Turkey.
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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby Zenon33 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:16 am

Lordo wrote:quite the opposite, cyprus needs a solution more than ever. with erdogan and akp in charge we shall have 5 million settlers in the next 5 years. who is going to stop them.



A solution with this fucking fascist?.
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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby cypriotnado » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:45 am

DrCyprus wrote:I will agree with Lordo and say that the first step forward is to create a common education policy so that people can start learning to love being Cypriot.

Enough with letting our young Turkish speaking youth to be brainwashed by Turkey.




Totally agree! Forget any notion that the world will stand against AKP rule or that Turkey will implode. It won't! They are already re planning the demolition of Gezi park. They now have a strong mandate. They got more votes then most western governments could hope for. This is probably the last chance for unification if this fails the Tukish govt will simply say we did all we could, after all they use every opportunity to state that they support the peace process. Truth is they never really believed that Cypriots could reach a deal. Hence they can afford to appear compromising. The AKP has already argued for all restrictions on future turkish settlers to be lifted. Who will stop them I have been told that property prices in kyrenia have gone through the roof as wealthy Turks buy more and more holiday homes. Don't fantasize this will soon be impossible to reverse.
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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:11 am

cypriotnado wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:I will agree with Lordo and say that the first step forward is to create a common education policy so that people can start learning to love being Cypriot.

Enough with letting our young Turkish speaking youth to be brainwashed by Turkey.




Totally agree! Forget any notion that the world will stand against AKP rule or that Turkey will implode. It won't! They are already re planning the demolition of Gezi park. They now have a strong mandate. They got more votes then most western governments could hope for. This is probably the last chance for unification if this fails the Tukish govt will simply say we did all we could, after all they use every opportunity to state that they support the peace process. Truth is they never really believed that Cypriots could reach a deal. Hence they can afford to appear compromising. The AKP has already argued for all restrictions on future turkish settlers to be lifted. Who will stop them I have been told that property prices in kyrenia have gone through the roof as wealthy Turks buy more and more holiday homes. Don't fantasize this will soon be impossible to reverse.


I also fully agree. The extent to which electoral fraud was involved is as yet unknown, and it is curious at the very least that the results were so out of line with the polls, and it will be interesting to see if hard evidence emerges that the poll was rigged. Otherwise, you have to respect the will of the Turkish people to submit to an Islamofascist dictatorship.

Up to now, the AKP has just tinkered with Islamisation and I believe that the real thrust will now come. Over the past five years or so they have managed to eliminate virtually every opposition media outlet, and there can be little doubt that they will now crush the few remaining independent newspapers and TV stations. Any remaining voices of dissent will be silenced using all available techniques, from imprisonment based on phony charges to extrajudicial killings. Once they have a total monopoly over the media, there will be a referendum to change the constitution to move to a so-called presidential system, which will essentially amount to giving Erdoğan's dictatorship a constitutional veneer of respectability. Given that it will no longer be possible for opponents of the dictatorship to campaign for a 'no' vote, they will probably win this referendum. You had better start becoming acquainted with Erdoğan's son, Bilal, because he has obviously for some time been groomed to take over as next in the line of the Erdoğan ruling dynasty, which now appears to have become a reality.

As you say, I don't see this boding well either for Cyprus, or the Middle East. At its core, the AKP is a hard-line Islamist movement with Neo-Ottoman aspirations, and it clearly gives at least tacit support to Daesh. In my view, the only way that lasting peace can be established in the Middle East is through secularism, otherwise members of different faiths and sects will forever be at one another's throats so as to bring their own people to power and make sure that their group gets all of the privileges. The existence of a strong, vibrant, pluralistic and secular Turkey would have served as a model extolling the benefits of secularism. Now, instead, fanatic groups like Daesh will get a shot in the arm and the cause of turmoil has been boosted, especially as Erdoğan's regime will increasingly have designs in the wider region.

In one way, this shows that the West, or more precisely, global capital, wishes Turkey to go in this direction. They want and need somebody who will look after the large investments global capital has made in manufacturing plant in the country, and Erdoğan seems to be the person they trust to do this. On an ironic note, I know some open-eyed Turkish people were watching the EU negotiate with Erdoğan about the refugee crisis, unaware that if the very man they were sitting and negotiating with had his way, this would create a massive new influx of refugees fleeing from that man's dictatorship. I now fear they will be proved right as we start seeing a new flow of refugees into Europe from Turkey as the fascist dictatorship takes hold there, made up of people having a very well-founded fear of persecution, i.e. having rock-solid grounds for claiming asylum under international law. Time will tell.

Anyway, apart from you and me, I am not sure how many people here will understand the magnitude of what is happening and how disastrous it is. Time, unfortunately, will probably prove us right, although I will be delighted if it doesn't. In fact, this seems to be a dictator worshipping forum, what with the adulation we hear for the likes of Putin and Assad. Do you thing these same people will now be consistent, and start extolling the virtues of the nascent Erdoğan ruling dynasty? I somehow doubt it.
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Re: Erdogan's Mein Kampf and Fascism in Turkey.

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:57 pm

Things may not be as bad as I have portrayed them above.

I have spoken to some Turkish Cypriots today about the Turkish elections, and - while the number is not large enough to constitute even a straw poll - the unanimous view is that the poll was rigged. If so, what we have is an illegitimate government and I only hope enough hard evidence comes to light to confirm this, in which case moral legitimacy will pass to the opposition. Indeed, I can't help wondering if the Gulenists (the 'Cemaat') have solid evidence that they are waiting to reveal.

I was wrong in thinking that they can hold a referendum on an amended constitution that will grant dictatorial powers to Erdoğan. In fact, they need 330 MPs to back such a motion and they don't have them. So, it looks like Erdoğan will remain president under the existing constitution and it is high time he learned what role he is supposed to play as ceremonial president. It is all thanks to the HDP somehow hanging in and getting just over the 10% threshold and that stopped the AKP from getting enough MPs to hold a referendum.

I was heartened by the following comment in HDP joint leader Demirtaş’s post-election speech:

“Bir milyon oy keybettik ama biz faşizme karşı dimdik durmaya başarmış bir partiyiz.” [We lost a million votes but we are a party that succeeding in standing steadfastly against fascism]. I like the idea of having such people in a fascist dominated parliament.

Meanwhile, the attack on the few remaining non-AKP controlled media outlets continues unabated, with a police raid yesterday on the independent news magazine Nokta in which two senior staff members were arrested and the entire print run of an edition devoted to the election was confiscated.

There were some shocking reports from the election day. It seems in places AKP functionaries physically attacked official EU observers and expelled them from polling stations. Six polling station observers from the HDP were hospitalised in attacks by AKP thugs - that's just the attacks ending in hospitalisation by these successors of the Nazi brownshirts, so heaven knows how many attacks there were. I am happy to report that the police actually intervened in one incident in which an AKP thug pulled out a pistol and pointed it at functionaries from opposition parties.
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