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Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:32 am

If one was to accept the polls thus far, Trump leads by a comfortable margin for the Republican nomination.

In spite of his recent extreme views on Muslims being banned, temporarily, from entering the USA his popularity has not wavered amongst his supporters.

Let me state from the outset that I find his views despicable, undemocratic and absolute nonsense. The very vast majority of Muslims are no different from and other religious groups, yes there is an ideology that has been hijacked by some, ie the jihadists and other Islamic fanatic groups, yes they too, the jihadists praise their fictitious god, just as the Ku Klux Klan did as well as the Nazis. The vast majority of American Christians did not support KKK or indeed support the Nazis.

I was wrong about Obama becoming president so I will make no prediction as to Trump becoming one.

Hilary Clinton will surely win the Democratic nomination and face Trump at the elections.

What are your opinions?
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459207587 ... houldnt-be
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Linichka » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:12 am

Hillary Clinton is surely the only viable candidate.
Trump is only lead clown in the Republican lineup of fools, buffoons and other mortal embarrassments to Americans with even a modicum of sense.

I didn't think the Republicans could produce worse than 2012's lineup, but they have already well surpassed it.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:33 am

Fuck Hillary, but we might have to settle for her. I hope Bernie Sanders gets some kind of position to fix all this disfunction.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:37 am

DrCyprus wrote:Fuck Hillary, but we might have to settle for her. I hope Bernie Sanders gets some kind of position to fix all this disfunction.

Did ....fancy her a few years back, but she is far too ....old for me now :lol: :lol:
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:52 am

I view the prospect with trepidation. We are witnessing a new type of populist politician who appears able to speak to the average, poorly educated person in their own terms and play on their fears and prejudices, and succeed politically through this. There is widespread disillusionment with the political class and disengagement from conventional politics which is feeding this trend. We already see it in the likes of Erdoğan and Putin, and with less success so far in Farage in the UK. The National Front got about a third of the vote in recent local elections in France. I fear that we are returning to the 1930's with its Hitlers, Stalins, Francos and Mussolinis. The world was in economic crisis then, too, and I believe that this is also ultimately a reaction to the mess the world is in.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:02 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I view the prospect with trepidation. We are witnessing a new type of populist politician who appears able to speak to the average, poorly educated person in their own terms and play on their fears and prejudices, and succeed politically through this. There is widespread disillusionment with the political class and disengagement from conventional politics which is feeding this trend. We already see it in the likes of Erdoğan and Putin, and with less success so far in Farage in the UK. The National Front got about a third of the vote in recent local elections in France. I fear that we are returning to the 1930's with its Hitlers, Stalins, Francos and Mussolinis. The world was in economic crisis then, too, and I believe that this is also ultimately a reaction to the mess the world is in.

A very good analysis Tim.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:39 pm

miltiades wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I view the prospect with trepidation. We are witnessing a new type of populist politician who appears able to speak to the average, poorly educated person in their own terms and play on their fears and prejudices, and succeed politically through this. There is widespread disillusionment with the political class and disengagement from conventional politics which is feeding this trend. We already see it in the likes of Erdoğan and Putin, and with less success so far in Farage in the UK. The National Front got about a third of the vote in recent local elections in France. I fear that we are returning to the 1930's with its Hitlers, Stalins, Francos and Mussolinis. The world was in economic crisis then, too, and I believe that this is also ultimately a reaction to the mess the world is in.

A very good analysis Tim.


Thanks. I probably come at things further from the left than you do. I respect everyone's opinion, though, as long as they are not condoning atrocities.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:58 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I view the prospect with trepidation. We are witnessing a new type of populist politician who appears able to speak to the average, poorly educated person in their own terms and play on their fears and prejudices, and succeed politically through this. There is widespread disillusionment with the political class and disengagement from conventional politics which is feeding this trend. We already see it in the likes of Erdoğan and Putin, and with less success so far in Farage in the UK. The National Front got about a third of the vote in recent local elections in France. I fear that we are returning to the 1930's with its Hitlers, Stalins, Francos and Mussolinis. The world was in economic crisis then, too, and I believe that this is also ultimately a reaction to the mess the world is in.

A very good analysis Tim.


Thanks. I probably come at things further from the left than you do. I respect everyone's opinion, though, as long as they are not condoning atrocities.


"Centre" views, occasionaly more to the right. I staunchly support the Western world on occasions though I do not allow myself to blindly follow a policy that I consider naive and unrealistic such as the insistence of the West, including Turkey, that Assad must go.
I ask my self in this case the following.

Everyone must agree that the ultimate goal is to bring about peace and stability in Syria for the sake of the Syrians and Europe also that is having to take in many thousands of refugees fleeing the war torn country. I ask my self this, who will replace Assad, a democrat, a benovelent dictator or an absolute ruler / dictator such as Assad.
The answer I come up with is more likely a ruthless dictator, with various waring fractions jostling for power and in the process creating many more victims and refugees.

I support the Russian position thus far as the more likely scenario for an end to the war and not that of either Turkey or the West that, in my opinion, will lead to further extension of the conflict.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:41 pm

As I have said before, I want to see the West and Russia come together for the limited goal of defeating Daesh, leaving any wider issues to be confronted after that goal has been achieved.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:02 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:As I have said before, I want to see the West and Russia come together for the limited goal of defeating Daesh, leaving any wider issues to be confronted after that goal has been achieved.

I entirely agree, Im also of the opinion that both Russia and the West also agree.
The consequenses of a conflict involving Russia and the West do not bear thinking about.

These perverted " religious ideologists" must be defeated for the sake of civilization as we know it, freedom of speech, faith, marriage etc etc.
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