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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:46 am

A Referendum will pass, if:

1. It recognises and respects that there are no distinctions or discrimination in being a Cypriot. We are Individuals, we are equals, we each vote the same way identically, we respect and recognise that diversity can be a strength, and that there are Universal Principals for which as Individuals we defend each other. Cypriots, Citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, in that respect are Free, in their, Movement, Expression, and Association. The Federal Government is the Sovereign representative of all Cypriots, no Constituency, or set of Constituencies can be or is its equal.

2. At another level of Government, Cypriot Constituencies can exist. Turkish Cypriots choose to benefit from this Liberty. And as Persons, Cypriots can choose accordingly by living within its Territorial Jurisdictions.

...it would not surprise me if this,is, what will be offered to Cypriots as a solution.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:51 am

famagusta1 wrote:I think Cyprus will be returned to the rightful owners sooner than you think, with their prime-minister showing such signs of weakness recently. There had never been a time in the past where their PM would visit so willingly and where there would be a population so desperate due to their inability to control their out of control spending, until now.

I don't think it is right to gloat about peoples suffering under any circumstances but you cannot help but feel like the saying "what goes around comes around" is holding very true at this time with both Greece and South Cyprus essentially ruined by their own greed. It is safe to say that the GCs and Greeks are feeling very humbled by the issues they face financially and are most certainly ready to accept that Cyprus is just one Island too many, and too far away, to try to claim as their own.

I say quite sincerely that I wish them the best of luck in trying to bring their spending under control and reduce the rampant crime levels and unemployment they are facing currently.


Here's one of those Turks taught from those books full of "unintended mistakes".

Fail!
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:44 am

repulsewarrior wrote:A Referendum will pass, if:

1. It recognises and respects that there are no distinctions or discrimination in being a Cypriot. We are Individuals, we are equals, we each vote the same way identically, we respect and recognise that diversity can be a strength, and that there are Universal Principals for which as Individuals we defend each other. Cypriots, Citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, in that respect are Free, in their, Movement, Expression, and Association. The Federal Government is the Sovereign representative of all Cypriots, no Constituency, or set of Constituencies can be or is its equal.

2. At another level of Government, Cypriot Constituencies can exist. Turkish Cypriots choose to benefit from this Liberty. And as Persons, Cypriots can choose accordingly by living within its Territorial Jurisdictions.

...it would not surprise me if this,is, what will be offered to Cypriots as a solution.


Unfortunately RW it won't be the case...its Annan plan in a different custome...the Turks are incapable of compromise, they feel that they are one compromise away from extinction. Too out of place, with no real history for the region they occupy, no natural allies to rely on. Even Israel has legitimacy, where its located and they've compromised many times. Israel has friends in Cyprus/ Greece, it compromised with Egypt on the Sinai and has good relations with Jordan with its 80% Palestinian population.. Arab and Muslim laws can be traced back to the time of Solomon. The Turks on the other hand are the misfits of the region, kind of like a porcupine in a sea of swans... If in any way the porcupine tries to get close to the swans(Greece, Cyprus, Arabs, Armenians, Iranians, Kurds, and even Russians) , it has no choice but to prick them with their needles, as we have seen recently. It tries for better ties with the Arabs but somehow it pisses them off more so then before. It tries for better relations with the Russians but there's talk of Russia nuking them back to the eastern Asian steppes.. It tries to be westernized but has effectively killed Kemalism.. The more turkey tries to change the worse it remains... Look at Cyprus, for forty years it hasn't moved from its position that it had in 1975...again it fears that it's one compromise away from annihilation, and they are probably right
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:14 am

you will never learn asshole.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Nikitas » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:27 pm

Your calculations assume territory is only the land, it is not, the sea is as important in the case of island nations like Cyprus.

A two state solution MULTIPLIES the territory and resources of the south via exclusive ownership of the southern EEZ.

You also left out the option of double union. A nightmare for the Turks and a potential major leverage factor for the GC community if push comes to shove.

You also did not calculate the effects of any of the outcomes on the TC community. Most choices erase the TCs as a community and they know this. Which explains their addiction to BBF, their only chance, and a slim one at that, of retaining their identity. Any other outcome and they will vanish in a sea of settlers.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:44 pm

read my previous comment one more time.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:13 pm

Nikitas wrote:Your calculations assume territory is only the land, it is not, the sea is as important in the case of island nations like Cyprus.

A two state solution MULTIPLIES the territory and resources of the south via exclusive ownership of the southern EEZ.


I do take into account the EEZ. Please note that I list "full benefits from our EEZ" as an important pro of that arrangement. However I think that land is more important and therefore significant parts should be returned to make option (2) better than (3).

You also left out the option of double union. A nightmare for the Turks and a potential major leverage factor for the GC community if push comes to shove.


It will be a nightmare for us as well. Greece can not provide any security to Cyprus so we will get all the troubles and no gains.

You also did not calculate the effects of any of the outcomes on the TC community. Most choices erase the TCs as a community and they know this. Which explains their addiction to BBF, their only chance, and a slim one at that, of retaining their identity. Any other outcome and they will vanish in a sea of settlers.


My post was from our (GC) perspective. The TC community should make their own calculations. If TCs ever had a strong wise leader then maybe that leader could go against the wishes of Turkey and propose a two state arrangement on a 20%-80% territory share. We could then have a treaty between us to regulate certain things and allow them to enter the EU as a separate state. Then Cyprus would be united under EU in a much better way than it would be united under BBF.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:36 pm

Here is how 20% looks like (used Google Earth Pro tools to calculate the area)

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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:05 pm

ioann wrote:Greece can not provide any security to Cyprus so we will get all the troubles and no gains.


It's not only about Greece now. Cyprus is EU territory and that is why Turkey will never attain even 0.1% for itself under the guise of TCs.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:06 pm

ioann wrote:Here is how 20% looks like (used Google Earth Pro tools to calculate the area)

cy1.jpg


F :evil: ck off!

Don't you ever cut off any bits from Cyprus to give to Turkey!
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