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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:26 am

Maximus wrote:yeah but your mate erdogan and Saud, who are on the payroll are going to spoil the ceasefire.


Don't worry about Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Turkey is not playing our game, Saudi Arabia are.

This has got to do with Syrians wanting a stake and to have a say as stakeholders of Syria. We don't care about Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Assad is trying to maintain power at all cost but he is a dead donkey.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:28 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Ah yes but Mr Pootin is on the payroll!

Pootin only care about Pootin and bases! He no care about Assad.

Yes we have plans, and so does Pootin! Assad might be the sacrificial little pawn! Everyone happy! Coalition happy! Pootin Happy. Assad not happy!

Rebels very happy!

What plans do YOU have you stupid naïve man. YOU have FUCK ALL.
The Russians and Americans have plans, you Plonker have FUCK ALL.

100 Rebel groups have so far signed for cessation of fighting. 100 REBELGROUPS!!
But the stupid Genearl Plonker has ....plans :lol:


Peace talks! What other plans do you think we have?

We want Peace Talks and we want all Syrian Groups to participate and have their say. You can't get any more noble than that in this dirty war.

Your plan was to exterminate the opposition and stop them from having a say - YOU FAILED!

Oh and some of those rebel groups are Kurdish and others are Christian Groups. You have Turkmen, Yazidi, Armenian, Druze and even 250 Greek Rebels which joined the FSA which is now SDF.

Was you plan to exterminate them all?

This is a sectarian war, and not all of it is about Islamists. Assad created this war with his persecution against all these minority groups.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:33 am

Peace started in Syria 33 minutes ago. :D

Now for the next step.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Maximus » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:04 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:yeah but your mate erdogan and Saud, who are on the payroll are going to spoil the ceasefire.


Don't worry about Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Turkey is not playing our game, Saudi Arabia are.

This has got to do with Syrians wanting a stake and to have a say as stakeholders of Syria. We don't care about Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Assad is trying to maintain power at all cost but he is a dead donkey.


Are not erdogan and Saud worse than Assad? Like bigger donkeys.

Who is our and we? Barage O'bomba and david camaroon?
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:07 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:yeah but your mate erdogan and Saud, who are on the payroll are going to spoil the ceasefire.


Don't worry about Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Turkey is not playing our game, Saudi Arabia are.

This has got to do with Syrians wanting a stake and to have a say as stakeholders of Syria. We don't care about Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Assad is trying to maintain power at all cost but he is a dead donkey.


Are not erdogan and Saud worse than Assad? Like bigger donkeys.

Who is our and we? Barage O'bomba and david camaroon?


No they are not Maximus.

And this issue goes well beyond Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Coalition or Pootin.

It's about minorities and other groups have their rightful self determination and say in Syria as citizens and as stakeholders in Syria. Assad has refused to accept a non-sectarian Syria.

One side supports this non-sectarianism, and the other does not. You choose!

It's up to you as to whether you decide to support Syrians having their say in determining Syria's non-sectarian future.

What you are doing is taking sides because of what you perceive to be Turkish Involvement. Turkey has caused the Coalition a lot of damage. They are not batting on our team because they are refusing to accept the Kurds at the talks.

The Coalition is going to take everyone to the talks - Kurds, Christians, Sunnis, Druze, Armenians and that is the way it should be and stuff Turkey, and anyone else who disagree. We also accept Assad loyalists at the talks. We want everyone there, not just one or two religious creeds.

It's not our place to deny anyone and neither is it legal for Assad to attack Syrian Opposition forces and civilians to maintain his rule.

Either, there is some kind of viable solution to this mess, where everyone has their fair due, or we will take matters into our own hands. The next few days are critical. And you better hope we pull it off otherwise the war is on and there will be no end to it until one side is obliterated off the face. Is that what you want?

Yes Obama and Cameron (get the spelling right) is the "we' and the "our" as Coalition members. There are plenty more in the "we" and "our". Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, Spain, Italy just to name a few.

Pootin, Arssad and Hezbollah are the "them" and "they"

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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:08 am

Paphitis:
No they are not Maximus.

It’s a bit like Russia and Syria ...... in both countries they have the support of the overwhelming majority of the population. But the West has a secret weapon ...... Paphitis! He is running a one man campaign to re-write history.
And this issue goes well beyond Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Coalition or Pootin.

Actually, it’s got sod all to do with any of them anyway, unless of course, the legitimate government of Syria sent them an invitation. That narrows the guest list down to ....... Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. :roll:
It's about minorities and other groups have their rightful self determination and say in Syria as citizens and as stakeholders in Syria. Assad has refused to accept a non-sectarian Syria.

What he means it is about the US/Israel getting what it wants by fair means or foul. The coalition couldn’t give a flying f**K about minorities, except the ones they know they can manipulate politically for their own gains.
One side supports this non-sectarianism, and the other does not. You choose!

TRUE! The Russians have said from the day they joined the conflict that ..... the decision as to who will govern Syria is the choice of the Syrian people. The Syrian government is a secular government as determined by their Constitution. The US wants an Islamic State that they can bribe and corrupt, as they have with every other regime change they have instigated! Islamic State = Sharia Law = a Sectarian State, as favoured by the US coalition .......... but they wouldn’t tolerate such a thing in their own back yard!
It's up to you as to whether you decide to support Syrians having their say in determining Syria's non-sectarian future.

So it is obvious that the Syrian people should be allowed their choice and not have the ‘choice’ decided by a foreign power. But the 'WE' don’t want Assad as one of the candidates ........ because they know he would likely be the people’s choice. Although they seem to have dropped the ‘Assad must go’ off their wish list.
What you are doing is taking sides because of what you perceive to be Turkish Involvement. Turkey has caused the Coalition a lot of damage. They are not batting on our team because they are refusing to accept the Kurds at the talks.

And of course Paphitis is completely unbiased and neutral. He has no personal perceptions as he bases all his observations on irrefutable fact. :roll: :lol: :lol:
The Coalition is going to take everyone to the talks - Kurds, Christians, Sunnis, Druze, Armenians and that is the way it should be and stuff Turkey, and anyone else who disagree. We also accept Assad loyalists at the talks. We want everyone there, not just one or two religious creeds
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Of course, the coalition has been involved in this conflict since the beginning, in fact the US were party to the initial uprising to get rid of Assad. ‘They’ (that’s the ‘WE’) will invite who they feel agrees with their view, it is only under the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin that the talks happened in the first place and it is the Russians that have determined both the direction and the content. It was Russia that prevented the US coalition from attacking Syria by negotiating the destruction of Assad's chemical weapons as an alternative to all out war to acquire a regime change by ousting Assad by force. Illegal though that would have been! This is unpalatable to the 'WE'. :(
It's not our place to deny anyone and neither is it legal for Assad to attack Syrian Opposition forces and civilians to maintain his rule.

This comment is commonly referred to as changing horses in mid stream!

Assad has EVERY right in International Law to respond to terrorists trying to take over his country by force of arms. Name one country in this mighty coalition that would tolerate an attempted coup backed by a foreign power, in their own country?
Either, there is some kind of viable solution to this mess, where everyone has their fair due, or we will take matters into our own hands. The next few days are critical. And you better hope we pull it off otherwise the war is on and there will be no end to it until one side is obliterated off the face. Is that what you want?

There is a solution! For the coalition to sort out the mess they created in Iraq and leave the Syrian Government, their allies and the SAA to deal with the terrorists in Syria. Russia suggested a political solution in 2012 for the US to ignore it. After just 20 weeks the Russians have made greater inroads into a solution that will right the wrongs the west has created in Syria, than the US has managed in almost five years of interference in another sovereign States affairs, including their coalition military offensive.
Yes Obama and Cameron (get the spelling right) is the "we' and the "our" as Coalition members. There are plenty more in the "we" and "our". Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, Spain, Italy just to name a few.

YES .... you must get the spelling right ........ after all, you don't want to appear offensive :roll: but whatever you do, don’t use Paphitis dictionary ........ it’s crap! :wink:
Pootin, Arssad and Hezbollah are the "them" and "they"

Spelling mistakes are getting even worse! So, as you can see very clearly it is a ‘them’ and ‘us’ situation as dictated by ‘WE’. Thankfully the Syrian people are not very keen on the ‘WE’ and are supporting the ‘THEM’! :D :D :D
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:44 am

Robin Hood wrote:It’s a bit like Russia and Syria ...... in both countries they have the support of the overwhelming majority of the population. But the West has a secret weapon ...... Paphitis! He is running a one man campaign to re-write history.


Really? You have majority support in Syria?

Don't bullshit us RH. Assad is a sectarian "government' for the Alawites. We will see who has the support soon enough.

And this issue goes well beyond Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Coalition or Pootin.


Robin Hood wrote:Actually, it’s got sod all to do with any of them anyway, unless of course, the legitimate government of Syria sent them an invitation. That narrows the guest list down to ....... Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. :roll:


The Syrian Government is NOT legitimate until all the stakeholders take their rightful place in that Parliament. Until then, it has everything to do with us because we are not going to stand by and watch Syrians' of other religious creeds or ethnicities sidelined or even worse slaughtered. What Assad is doing are War Crimes and against the UN Charter.

It's about minorities and other groups have their rightful self determination and say in Syria as citizens and as stakeholders in Syria. Assad has refused to accept a non-sectarian Syria.


Robin Hood wrote:What he means it is about the US/Israel getting what it wants by fair means or foul. The coalition couldn’t give a flying f**K about minorities, except the ones they know they can manipulate politically for their own gains.


That is your opinion in your jaded and warped world. Fact is, we don't care enough which I will grant you and should be involved a lot more than we are in support of these marginalized minorities and that includes troops on the ground.

One side supports this non-sectarianism, and the other does not. You choose!


Robin Hood wrote:TRUE! The Russians have said from the day they joined the conflict that ..... the decision as to who will govern Syria is the choice of the Syrian people.
The Syrian government is a secular government as determined by their Constitution. The US wants an Islamic State that they can bribe and corrupt, as they have with every other regime change they have instigated! Islamic State = Sharia Law = a Sectarian State, as favoured by the US coalition .......... but they wouldn’t tolerate such a thing in their own back yard!


Oh yes and Pootin and Assad want to sideline Sunnis and Christians just like they have been doing for decades and if they are not, even exterminate the opposition.

Well sorry but that is not the way things are done and we will push Syria towards this transition whereby all minorities are included. That means, if the Islamic Brotherhood take more than 50% of the vote, then they have the right to form Government but not at the expense of other Syrians.

It's up to you as to whether you decide to support Syrians having their say in determining Syria's non-sectarian future.


Robin Hood wrote:So it is obvious that the Syrian people should be allowed their choice and not have the ‘choice’ decided by a foreign power. But the 'WE' don’t want Assad as one of the candidates ........ because they know he would likely be the people’s choice. Although they seem to have dropped the ‘Assad must go’ off their wish list.


The Syrian people will get their chance, but Assad will not be a candidate, unless you want war. ALL Syrians will be given an opportunity to have that choice, including opposition supporters which is something assad never wanted because he would be out on his arse anyway.

What you are doing is taking sides because of what you perceive to be Turkish Involvement. Turkey has caused the Coalition a lot of damage. They are not batting on our team because they are refusing to accept the Kurds at the talks.


Robin Hood wrote:And of course Paphitis is completely unbiased and neutral. He has no personal perceptions as he bases all his observations on irrefutable fact. :roll: :lol: :lol:


No I am not neutral and never claimed to be neutral at all.

I do however want to see a a workable and peaceful solution where our guys have their voice as well as any other group or religion and without fear. You should want this too but it is clear you don't.

The Coalition is going to take everyone to the talks - Kurds, Christians, Sunnis, Druze, Armenians and that is the way it should be and stuff Turkey, and anyone else who disagree. We also accept Assad loyalists at the talks. We want everyone there, not just one or two religious creeds
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Robin Hood wrote:Of course, the coalition has been involved in this conflict since the beginning, in fact the US were party to the initial uprising to get rid of Assad. ‘They’ (that’s the ‘WE’) will invite who they feel agrees with their view, it is only under the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin that the talks happened in the first place and it is the Russians that have determined both the direction and the content. It was Russia that prevented the US coalition from attacking Syria by negotiating the destruction of Assad's chemical weapons as an alternative to all out war to acquire a regime change by ousting Assad by force. Illegal though that would have been! This is unpalatable to the 'WE'. :(
It's not our place to deny anyone and neither is it legal for Assad to attack Syrian Opposition forces and civilians to maintain his rule.

This comment is commonly referred to as changing horses in mid stream!


That is once again your opinion and an unsubstantiated opinion.

The US supported the will of the people in Egypt (against its own puppet), and Tunisia. It expressed the same support for the peaceful Spring in Syria too until things turned ugly after Assad attacked the masses. When all these militant groups started springing up, the truth is the US didn't know what to do or who to support until 2015. It only eventually came around to waging a limited war against 1 specific terrorist group (DAESH).

It wasn't until 2015 when The Free Syrian Army, the YPG and YPJ were cleared by the US as non terrorist combatants and able to receive American Arms.

Robin Hood wrote:Assad has EVERY right in International Law to respond to terrorists trying to take over his country by force of arms. Name one country in this mighty coalition that would tolerate an attempted coup backed by a foreign power, in their own country?


No Assad does not have any right under International law to fight the citizens of Syria based on their opposition to him and motivated by a sectarian basis when all these people are fighting for is change and to be recognized as stakeholders of syria.

He is in fact committing war crimes against the UNHCR, UN Carter and Geneva Conventions.

Either, there is some kind of viable solution to this mess, where everyone has their fair due, or we will take matters into our own hands. The next few days are critical. And you better hope we pull it off otherwise the war is on and there will be no end to it until one side is obliterated off the face. Is that what you want?


Robin Hood wrote:There is a solution! For the coalition to sort out the mess they created in Iraq and leave the Syrian Government, their allies and the SAA to deal with the terrorists in Syria. Russia suggested a political solution in 2012 for the US to ignore it. After just 20 weeks the Russians have made greater inroads into a solution that will right the wrongs the west has created in Syria, than the US has managed in almost five years of interference in another sovereign States affairs, including their coalition military offensive.


No that doesn't work for us sorry.

The solution is to leave the opposition alone and participate in Proximity Talks with all the opposition groups and actually join the fight against the real terrorists - DAESH and Al-Nusra. Yes, these are the terrorists which Assad has not been fighting.

Yes Obama and Cameron (get the spelling right) is the "we' and the "our" as Coalition members. There are plenty more in the "we" and "our". Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, Spain, Italy just to name a few.


Robin Hood wrote:YES .... you must get the spelling right ........ after all, you don't want to appear offensive :roll: but whatever you do, don’t use Paphitis dictionary ........ it’s crap! :wink:


I did my best.

Pootin, Arssad and Hezbollah are the "them" and "they"


Robin Hood wrote:Spelling mistakes are getting even worse! So, as you can see very clearly it is a ‘them’ and ‘us’ situation as dictated by ‘WE’. Thankfully the Syrian people are not very keen on the ‘WE’ and are supporting the ‘THEM’! :D :D :D


I can only do my best!

We have already seen who the Syrian's support and it isn't Assad. Assad does not have majority support - Alawites are only 30% of the population.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby miltiades » Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:50 am

Assad is supported by the majority of Syrians:
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/west ... t-syrians/

The regime could not have survived without widespread support among its own population, and not just among minorities
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... -544952547
Bashar Al-Assad Has More Popular Support than the Western-Backed “Opposition
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bashar-al- ... ll/5495643

Comment: The uncomfortable truth about Syria is that Assad is popular
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... t-assad-is

All above are of course .. wrong, the General Plonker :lol: :lol: says so
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:15 am

miltiades wrote:Assad is supported by the majority of Syrians:
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/west ... t-syrians/

The regime could not have survived without widespread support among its own population, and not just among minorities
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... -544952547
Bashar Al-Assad Has More Popular Support than the Western-Backed “Opposition
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bashar-al- ... ll/5495643

Comment: The uncomfortable truth about Syria is that Assad is popular
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... t-assad-is

All above are of course .. wrong, the General Plonker :lol: :lol: says so


What about the Sunnis? Do they support Assad? Are Christians allowed to stand?

And who from the Sunni Tribes are going to be endorsed by 34 MPs who would invariably be Baathist Party members?

Do you know that Assad has never been challenged at election time? They are one party elections just like North Korea.

Eligibility criteria[edit]
The conditions required to be a candidate in a presidential election are the following:

A candidate must be Muslim
A candidate must have the support of no less than 35 members of the parliament
A candidate must be 34 years old or older
A candidate must have lived in Syria for 10 years before the election
A candidate must be Syrian by birth, of parents who are Syrians by birth
A candidate must not be married to a non-Syrian spouse
Candidates[edit]
A total of 24 candidates, including 2 women and a Christian, submitted applications to the Supreme Constitutional Court for the presidency.[32][33][34] Of these, two candidates other than Assad met all the conditions to run, including the support of 35 members of the parliament.[35] The two other candidates chosen to run are seen as "mostly symbolic contenders" and "little known figures"[1]

Bashar al-Assad, the incumbent president, leader of Ba'ath Party
Hassan Abdullah al-Nouri, from the National Initiative for Administration and Change in Syria, a 54-year-old MP from Damascus
Maher Abd Al-Hafiz Hajjar, formerly from the People's Will Party, a 43-year-old MP from Aleppo. This party is led by veteran opposition leader Qadri Jamil who supported the initial protests in 2011 but then described calls for the overthrow of the government as "unrealistic and useless". Jamil was a member of the committee that drafted the new Constitution of Syria in 2011. However, People's Will won just two of 250 MPs in the 2012 parliamentary election with their allies from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party won a further four. Jamil was nominated Deputy Prime Minister by President Assad in June 2012 but removed in October 2013. The small number of MPs from the party indicates that most of his nominations must have come from either independents or MPs from the ruling National Progressive Front. A statement from the People's Will Party on 27 April distanced the party from Hajjar, claiming that Hajjar was no longer a member of either the People's Will Party, or the Popular Front for Liberation and Change. Instead the statement claimed that Hajjar represented only himself.[36]

The other 21 candidates that did not meet the criteria were:[37]

Sawsan Omar al-Haddad, born in Latakia Governorate in 1963. (woman)
Sameer Ahmad Mo'alla, born in Quneitra Governorate in 1961.
Mohammad Firas Yassin Rajjouh, born in Damascus in 1966.
Abdul-Salam Youssef Salameh, born in Homs governorate in 1971.
Ali Mohammad Wannous, born in Homs in 1973.
Azza Mohammad Wajih al-Hallaq, born in Damascus in 1962. (woman)
Talie Saleh Nasser, born in Kafrin in 1967.
Samih Mikhael Mousa, born in Btaiha in 1963. (Christian)
Mahmoud Khalil Halbouni, born in Harasta in 1946.
Mohammad Hassan al-Kanaan, born in al-Sanamayn in 1964.
Khaled Abdo al-Kreidi, born in al-Al in 1966.
Basheer Mohammad al-Balah, born in Damascus in 1931.
Ahmad Hassoun al-Abboud, born in al-Mayadin in 1962
Ayman Shamdin al-Issa Alam, born in al-Husseinyeh in 1967.
Ziad Adnan Hakawati, born in Damascus in 1955.
Ahmad Ali Qsei’eh, born in Jabaq in 1951.
Mahmoud Mohammad Nassr, born in Zahiriye in 1969.
Ali Hassan al-Hassan, born in Deir Saras in 1965.
Ahmad Omar Dabba, born in Tazeh Shamaliye in 1969.
Mahmoud Naji Moussa, born in Tadmur in 1950.
Hossein Mohammad Tijan, born in Aleppo in 1961.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby miltiades » Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:26 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Assad is supported by the majority of Syrians:
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/west ... t-syrians/

The regime could not have survived without widespread support among its own population, and not just among minorities
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... -544952547
Bashar Al-Assad Has More Popular Support than the Western-Backed “Opposition
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bashar-al- ... ll/5495643

Comment: The uncomfortable truth about Syria is that Assad is popular
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... t-assad-is

All above are of course .. wrong, the General Plonker :lol: :lol: says so


What about the Sunnis? Doo they support Assad?
We all formulate our opinions based on information gathered from the media world and political annalists since none of us is able to carry out any meaningful research into the situation in Syria or indeed anywhere else. You on the other hand base your opinions on "war games" , wishful thinking and illusionary developments as evidenced by your outburst and... generosity in sending everyone a ....H Pie whilst announcing ...victory for the rebels.

I always considered you a very naïve young man, only I grossly under estimated the level of your naivety .I think the vast majority of CY F members also share my view.

Do you know that Assad has never been challenged at election time? They are one party elections just like North Korea.
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