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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:44 am

Robin Hood,

we will see in due course but I am afraid you're deluded without reading your post because we are going round and round in circles. Russia has claimed "Mission Accomplished". What mission was that? Was it the destruction of ISIL, or Al Nusra? No it wasn't. They are as strong as before Russia's intervention mainly because we can't fight against them like Russia can fight the moderates. In other words, we can't deliberately target civilian and populated areas, hospitals, and schools like he did just to get a few terrorists and kill a hundred civilians. Our soldiers get their arses kicked for being spotted with their finger on the trigger or even a single unauthorized discharged. That is the way it is. In Russia, they throw their pilots in the air for killing civilians.

The other fact of the matter is that ISIL was even seen taking over land which the moderates had lost to Assad Forces only 24 hours before. And it was done without even a shot from assad's Forces being fired or even a fire cracker from Pootin's Air Force. Can you explain that one to us please? Let me help you, Assad and Pootin don't have the metal to fight Asymmetric warfare in an Urban setting (I don't blame them) and want ISIL to do it for them just like they did in Kobani and lost. Oh yes and the Russian withdrawal is to make way for the Coalition Air Forces which will start hitting Urban Areas if the Rebels are fighting for their existence. Games are being played, but you just refuse to open your eyes. :roll:

Their withdrawal was a last minute decision in the wake of the peace talks which are a foregone conclusion.

But we recognise that Pootin needs to save face and we don't seek to embarrass him.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:32 am

‘You’ should take note ......... Putin advises and then acts accordingly if necessary, he does not ‘negotiate’! 'You' have been warned! :roll:
Putin Warns: Russia May Deploy Forces Back to Syria ‘in Mere Hours’ if Necessary

“We stick to the fundamental international laws and believe that nobody has the right to violate Syria’s sovereign airspace. We have created an effective mechanism for prevention of air incidents with the Americans, but all our partners have been warned that we would use our air defense systems against any target that we considered a threat to the Russian troops,” Putin said.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44456.htm


Russia’s Ultimate Lethal Weapon

In the long run though, this should create a significant balance of trade surplus for Russia; a very positive factor for long-term growth of Russia’s domestic industry.

If you understand economics you will understand the significance of that statement.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44466.htm
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:39 am

Paphitis:
.......but I am afraid you're deluded without reading your post .......


That is your problem ..... you never read anything, you just make wild assumptions based on your own opinion! Better to speak having read some thing about a subject ..... than to go off on a crusade based on wishful thinking rather than reasoned probability, based on available fact. :roll: :wink:
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:53 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
.......but I am afraid you're deluded without reading your post .......


That is your problem ..... you never read anything, you just make wild assumptions based on your own opinion! Better to speak having read some thing about a subject ..... than to go off on a crusade based on wishful thinking rather than reasoned probability, based on available fact. :roll: :wink:


I have read your post but still feel incredibly bored because my assumptions were correct.

Back to the question. You make a habit of ignoring my questions. :wink:

We will get along very well once you admit that Pootin's intervention was NEVER about destroying terrorists in Syria. Time to come clean now Robin Hood because the facts on the ground don't explain your thesis. :oops:

And about the MSM, you know as well as I do that the vast majority of people are stupid and will take anything served up to them hook line and sinker. You are intelligent but are just taking the Lefty approach of the USA is evil and Pootin is a Saint! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:56 pm

Paphitis:
We will get along very well once you admit that Pootin's intervention was NEVER about destroying terrorists in Syria. Time to come clean now Robin Hood because the facts on the ground don't explain your thesis.

Sorry but the facts on the ground DO support what I (and others) have tried to explain to you ..... not only the sources from independent sites but even the MSM, US Govt. and military say so! If you can’t see it then there is nothing I can do about it but at least I read what you say and follow your links. :roll:

I have previously explained it but obviously not clear enough for you? When Putin came on the scene he explained his intent very clearly and that is a matter of historic record.I will let President Putin of the Russian Federation explain it to you ......... he repeated a couple of days ago, in brief, more-or-less what he said in Sept. 2015 ...... I will quote Putin verbatim:
You remember what the situation was like in September of 2015. Back then, a significant part of the country (Syria) was seized by terrorist groups, and the situation was getting worse.

In full compliance with international law, at the request of the legitimate government and the country’s president, we made a decision to launch our military operation. From the very start, we were very clear about its goals: support of the Syrian army in its lawful struggle with terrorist groups. Our actions were also timed for the period of active assaults against the terrorists. We stated clearly that we did not intend to get involved in an internal Syrian conflict. Only the Syrians themselves should seek a final solution and decide their country’s future.

The main target of our operation was terrorism. The struggle against international terrorism is a fair and righteous cause. This is a struggle against enemies of civilisation, against those who bring barbarity and violence, trying to renounce the great spiritual, humanitarian values that the world rests on.

I would like to repeat that the main goal of our actions in Syria was to stop the global evil and not to let terrorism spread to Russia. And our country has demonstrated its unquestionable leadership, willpower and responsibility.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44460.htm


He also said the intervention would be short and he would draw his forces out when he met his goals. That is what I like about Putin ..... he acts, he doesn’t spout threats.

As I previously explained to you there are ONLY terrorists! As Lavrov said quite clearly at the time (Oct 2105) just 24 hrs into the fight .... “If it looks like a terrorist, if it acts like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, it’s a terrorist, right?” If you disagree with that statement please explain how the coalition differentiates between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ terrorists and how a Daesh fighter can be picked out from an ‘extremist' or a ‘moderate’ terrorist? :?:
You are intelligent but are just taking the Lefty approach of the USA is evil and Pootin is a Saint!

Wrong again, it has little to do with being intelligent! I read both the MSM and the independent news sites, plus I consider opinion from people who have a good handle on the subject ......... often called experts but in all my life I have yet to meet one, I prefer the term ..... ‘well informed’. I don’t see left/right I see facts and reasoned opinion, from whatever source. Then I try to apply some common sense and logic to sort fact from fiction/exaggeration/misrepresentation and come up with a degree of probability. If the argument you put forward is not supported by facts ..... then your argument is flawed. If you ignore facts that do not support your argument, then you will always be biased and will never see the whole picture.

Putin explained his intent, in full and in some detail ........ he has stuck to his program and has come up with the result he clearly stated he was working toward, back in Sept. 2015. NEVER did he claim his intention was to just fight Daesh or to win the war in Syria. Be very clear about that ...... he fought ‘terrorists’ and has achieved what he explained he set out to achieve and he has in the main accomplished his goals.

No amount of bluster, bullshit and boasting can alter that fact. Russian intervention has enabled the talks between the warring parties . The US coalition have been stuck in a rut, with little to show for 3 years of bombing. Putin achieved his stated goals in just 21 weeks but notice, he is not crowing it from the roof tops, nor does he mock the US coalition forces for their obvious failure to achieve results ...... not his style. :roll: :wink:
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:16 pm

...let's not forget that this is the first sortie of Russia, since 1991, outside its immediate sphere of influence.

It is a great success that he can enter and withdraw so effectively, and with the influence of/as a world power no less.

Indeed there are big problems at home, Putin has proven himself to be adaptable, as well as very efficient in so many different ways, he will be around for a while, i think.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:13 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...let's not forget that this is the first sortie of Russia, since 1991, outside its immediate sphere of influence.

It is a great success that he can enter and withdraw so effectively, and with the influence of/as a world power no less.

Indeed there are big problems at home, Putin has proven himself to be adaptable, as well as very efficient in so many different ways, he will be around for a while, i think.


Remember Crimea? Putin did just what he has done in Syria .... he gave the people of Crimea the opportunity to chose who governs them. The west said he ‘invaded’ Crimea? He didn’t, Russia was there already and legally under recognised treaties with the legally elected government of Ukraine. In that instance, he used his military might to prevent the death of civilians and the destruction of the infrastructure ..... not one death and no destruction, and the people made their choice through a referendum and that choice just happened to be Russia over a coup imposed, unelected government with a Nazi agenda.

In Iraq the US bought the people ‘freedom’ and managed to kill 1,455,590 of them doing it and they are still dying today. They destroyed the country and as a result created Islamic terrorism (ISIS); contaminated large areas (Fallujah) with nuclear debris (depleted uranium) which has led to thousands of further deaths through cancer and tens of thousands of birth deformations. This must have been their rehearsal for Libya and now Syria. How many more people have to die, how many more countries have to be destroyed, before the West realises that Putin has the answers? :roll:

And the US and its allies then demonise Putin ....... you couldn't make it up :( .......and many fall for their stories.

Although the media may promote this image of Putin, just look at the comments after these articles! By far the greatest majority support Putin. Things are changing, the people are waking up to see through all the misinformation and the support for Putin is growing by the day. It is now coming into the open and three programs on BBC (UK/US/EU politicians)this morning are giving Putin the credit he deserves for a job well done in Syria. :roll: :)
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:33 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
We will get along very well once you admit that Pootin's intervention was NEVER about destroying terrorists in Syria. Time to come clean now Robin Hood because the facts on the ground don't explain your thesis.

Sorry but the facts on the ground DO support what I (and others) have tried to explain to you ..... not only the sources from independent sites but even the MSM, US Govt. and military say so! If you can’t see it then there is nothing I can do about it but at least I read what you say and follow your links. :roll:

I have previously explained it but obviously not clear enough for you? When Putin came on the scene he explained his intent very clearly and that is a matter of historic record.I will let President Putin of the Russian Federation explain it to you ......... he repeated a couple of days ago, in brief, more-or-less what he said in Sept. 2015 ...... I will quote Putin verbatim:
You remember what the situation was like in September of 2015. Back then, a significant part of the country (Syria) was seized by terrorist groups, and the situation was getting worse.

In full compliance with international law, at the request of the legitimate government and the country’s president, we made a decision to launch our military operation. From the very start, we were very clear about its goals: support of the Syrian army in its lawful struggle with terrorist groups. Our actions were also timed for the period of active assaults against the terrorists. We stated clearly that we did not intend to get involved in an internal Syrian conflict. Only the Syrians themselves should seek a final solution and decide their country’s future.

The main target of our operation was terrorism. The struggle against international terrorism is a fair and righteous cause. This is a struggle against enemies of civilisation, against those who bring barbarity and violence, trying to renounce the great spiritual, humanitarian values that the world rests on.

I would like to repeat that the main goal of our actions in Syria was to stop the global evil and not to let terrorism spread to Russia. And our country has demonstrated its unquestionable leadership, willpower and responsibility.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44460.htm


He also said the intervention would be short and he would draw his forces out when he met his goals. That is what I like about Putin ..... he acts, he doesn’t spout threats.

As I previously explained to you there are ONLY terrorists! As Lavrov said quite clearly at the time (Oct 2105) just 24 hrs into the fight .... “If it looks like a terrorist, if it acts like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, it’s a terrorist, right?” If you disagree with that statement please explain how the coalition differentiates between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ terrorists and how a Daesh fighter can be picked out from an ‘extremist' or a ‘moderate’ terrorist? :?:
You are intelligent but are just taking the Lefty approach of the USA is evil and Pootin is a Saint!

Wrong again, it has little to do with being intelligent! I read both the MSM and the independent news sites, plus I consider opinion from people who have a good handle on the subject ......... often called experts but in all my life I have yet to meet one, I prefer the term ..... ‘well informed’. I don’t see left/right I see facts and reasoned opinion, from whatever source. Then I try to apply some common sense and logic to sort fact from fiction/exaggeration/misrepresentation and come up with a degree of probability. If the argument you put forward is not supported by facts ..... then your argument is flawed. If you ignore facts that do not support your argument, then you will always be biased and will never see the whole picture.

Putin explained his intent, in full and in some detail ........ he has stuck to his program and has come up with the result he clearly stated he was working toward, back in Sept. 2015. NEVER did he claim his intention was to just fight Daesh or to win the war in Syria. Be very clear about that ...... he fought ‘terrorists’ and has achieved what he explained he set out to achieve and he has in the main accomplished his goals.

No amount of bluster, bullshit and boasting can alter that fact. Russian intervention has enabled the talks between the warring parties . The US coalition have been stuck in a rut, with little to show for 3 years of bombing. Putin achieved his stated goals in just 21 weeks but notice, he is not crowing it from the roof tops, nor does he mock the US coalition forces for their obvious failure to achieve results ...... not his style. :roll: :wink:


Robin Hood,

you're a very well intended person and intelligent but you're also quite deluded and like most of the great unwashed, have no clue what is going on.

There is only one person on this forum who has a sniff, and that is Garavnoss! He as a result takes a very Stoic view of things because he knows who really is in control of the USA and who the superpowers are and who is the real lapdog.

I will try and open a thread to explain it to you but it is very complex and it will take me some time.

But to summarize, the USA is a lapdog.

The worlds superpowers are:
1) Germany
2) Saudi Arabia
3) Israel
4) South Korea
5) Australia
6) Japan

You see those countries I mention. They are the superpowers. USA is the figurehead alone.

But it don't end there because the instruments are NATO, EU, ANZUS, and APEC. That is what we use to control and get the lapdog to do what we want.

You also notice I did not mention the UK and France. They are only powerful as a collective within the EU and NATO. But there are regional powers and they include among them:
1) UK,
2) France,
3) Philippines
4) Vietnam

And a quite a few others including Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Italy etc etc.

But suffice to say, the USA is not in charge, and the Coalition has not lost anything. The rebels have not been defeated because Syria and Pootin have not achieved a comprehensive victory. You only won a few battles, and with the Russian Withdrawal, you may have lost the war, and for what reason that is exactly I don't know. But there is stuff in the background which has forced things somewhat, and Russia is no more in control as America is. Think Capitalism, Corporations and Trade.

You would be one of the only people on this forum who can work it out because you do have a brain, along with Garavnoss. The rest are the great unwashed just like 95% of society.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:51 am

But before I embark on that project, let me summarize a few points on Syria.

You are quoting Pootin verbatim. I have never quoted Obama, because I know that is for MSM consumption. That is for Russia's internal consumption and it doesn't explain what is occuring in Syria. So let's take a look at that and analyse a few inconvenient FACTS:

1) The SDF (FSA) have not been defeated comprehensively and may NEVER be defeated,
2) DAESH are as rampant now as they have ever been on the ground. They are in control of Palmyra and RAQQA as well as hundreds of Syrian towns and villages,
3) If Russia was going to withdrawal because it had "accomplished a mission", it would have done it a month earlier.

Yes, I have never made the accusation that Assad and Pootin are DAESH allies, because I don't have the proof. But that could be the case, or it could be a marriage of inconvenience. They could very well be willing or unwilling allies. I don't know but I can tell you that The Coalition Powers (Echelon) DO KNOW but they are not going to tell us because it is no different to the inconvenient fact that it was in fact they who supported Al Qaeda, Suddam Hussein, Taliban, General Pinochet, the Greek Junta etc etc etc. You will only get vague statements put out there for your consumption that "Pootin is bombing moderate forces in Syria" and not DAESH. "We invite Russia to join us in our fight against terrorism" knowing full well that this can never happen! That is for the great unwashed RH! It would be like Breshnev inviting the USA to join their fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 80s. But people are STUPID!

Many decades ago, the USA was supporting groups like Al Qaeda, Mujahideen and The Taliban. That makes the USA evil right? WRONG!!!!

Back then, the USA and the world had far bigger issues than a few crazy Taliban, and Al Qaeda. These are elements WE CAN control somewhat and which can't do a lot of damage to us. We would rather have them that the Warsaw Pact, and Soviet Union with their 10,000 Nuclear Warheads threatening us and which can destroy us in days. Sometimes, it is even in their interest for these groups to engage in terrorist activities. WHoah right? Why do you think that silly Aussie is trapped in the Ecuadorian Embassy and that Drag Queen had to escape to Russia? :lol:

So when the opportunity presented, we armed them and helped them and even had CIA on the ground with them because they were fighting the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union lost the war because of it.
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Re: Syria Peace countdown!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:02 pm

Although way off thread .......... you did raise the subject.............

I will wait for you to put forward your explanation before I cast an opinion as I have not really gone into this subject in any great depth! Just a couple of observations and without any research so just an opinion based on perception of events in recent history:

• You seem to be refereeing to military power in general rather than economic and political power?

• In that context the US has to be the ONLY super power ..... with 1000 bases in over 150 countries all over the globe it has by far the largest military infrastructure which it inevitably describes as ‘defensive’. Which surely has to be a misnomer? To me it is 'protection' by occupation, with or without invitation, of a country that could be a threat, or like Ukraine for instance, could act as a platform for defensive or offensive action against a perceived enemy.

• I would suggest there is reality only one super power even if you do include the military aspect, but in that instance their power is indirect, a bit like a holding company; they have the power of say-so and thus control powers greater than they themselves would on the face of it, appear to have as a state.

• You mention the country in with several others.

That country is the youngest of the lot, has very little in the way of resources and is by far the smallest but by far the most powerful! ............ The State of Israel! :shock: :o :x

The US population is descended from mainly from settlers from the Old World and really only became a State in the 1800’s. Many of those who formed the new European populace were from England, hence ‘English’ is the common language. But, as has been their history, many of them were ‘wandering’ Jews and that applies especially to the Banking sector. With a keen eye for profit, over time this sector has steadily grown in power and influence and dominates the financial system, the military industrial complex and most of the large corporations, many of which are US based.

It is Israel that rules the US! To be more precise ..... it is Zionist Israel that rules the US ..... the Jewish reference is a falsehood. If you check it out through Google you will see that the Jews are a religious community with superb commercial skills, that has been their success story over the centuries. In the middle/late 1800’s the Jews were infiltrated and then dominated by Zionism which is not a religion but a political organisation. What you have in Israel today is a Zionist State that has some Jews (born as or selected) and many of those of the Orthodox Church despise the Zionist ..... but too late to change things!

The Zionists, through the many Zionist organisations like AIPAC , pull ALL the strings in the US Senate,US Congress and the Administration itself. It is very rare that anyone without Zionist support ever makes it in politics.

The Capital City of the USA is not Washington ....... it is Tel-Aviv! :roll:

BTW: Did you know that the German Zionist Jews declared War on Germany just after WWI and it was that action which bought Hitler to power, world wide ban on selling German goods, cause the German depression (The Weimar Republic in the 1920 and 30’s?) and WWII. They have influence way beyond their perceived operations.
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