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EU ructions over Refugees

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:30 pm

Here is an interesting article by Costas Lapavitsas, a professor of economics at the School of Oriental and African Studies (Soas), University of London, and a former Syriza MP

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/04/eu-greece-refugees

One can only speculate at what ructions might involve, but as MR Lapavitsas states
The Syriza government is largely discredited and Euroscepticism is in the ascendant. The reality of the EU has proven very different from the Europeanist ideology of “soft power”, civilisation, culture and all the rest. There is a growing demand across social layers to reassert sovereignty.


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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:17 pm

It seems so obvious to me that refugees should be given adequate care and accommodation in Greece and be prevented from moving on, and the rest of the EU should foot the bill. The cost of living in Greece is lower than in, say, Germany, so it will cost less and Greece could use the money. The outcome will be that genuine refugees will be given sanctuary, while those whose real goal is to get to countries like Germany where they think the streets are paved with gold will be dissuaded from coming.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:30 pm

The refugee/migrant crisis is NOT of Greece's making as Greece is seen as but a stepping stone into Europe, a particular route that might however have been encouraged as due to the serious deficiencies found it was effectively an open door (which for the Greek external border is Greece's responsibility to look after) : I do therefore generally agree that Greece should get help to deal with the Refugees/Illegal Migrants in its border, with financial and practical assistance to do so, including in feeding and moving them. By and large the migrants should either, if they are truly refugees and return home is not yet an option, be spread through the EU until they can go back, or sent back to their home lands, if they are economic migrants rather then refugees.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:42 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:It seems so obvious to me that refugees should be given adequate care and accommodation in Greece and be prevented from moving on, and the rest of the EU should foot the bill. The cost of living in Greece is lower than in, say, Germany, so it will cost less and Greece could use the money. The outcome will be that genuine refugees will be given sanctuary, while those whose real goal is to get to countries like Germany where they think the streets are paved with gold will be dissuaded from coming.


:lol: Very funny!

And I think the refugees should get a say in where they stay.

But failing that, then the UK should take the majority for being one of the culprits bombing them out of their countries in the first place.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:37 pm

...there is a sponsorship program in Canada for cases such as these. Where, a community, or group, or individual, are capable, and having organised to do so, they provide what shelter these welcomed people receive.

It worked with the boat people (from Vietnam), it works with African Nations, it works with this crisis too, and it allows for a clear path toward integration, where as Citizens they can succeed most likely.

...I understand Britain has the intention to take twenty thousand Syrians, over five years. It shows you what a difference an election makes; Canada welcomed recently twenty-five thousand in six months, that on the word of the new Leader. And it is Canada's intention to invite another twenty-five thousand, as promised over two years.

America should step-up, i feel, so too countries where they are in a position to demonstrate that they have convictions, and that they are willing to defend the Universal Principals our Freedom is based upon by their direct actions. I fear that America's leadership does not understand that when a local, "there", is killed, there are ten young persons who they have made an enemy of; something more is needed. I fear that in America, at the moment, Americans have the choice between the right-wing, and the extreme right-wing, i fear Germany (and France) may have no more of a choice if the divisions in Europe grow. And yet, the American people, and Europeans generally seem to demonstrate far more tolerance, than what this Leadership would like to portray as their intention.

Euro-Skepticism is navel gazing, fear of the unknown leading to a resistance to change, more drama less content; a return, like the "New Turkey" for example. It won't work. The left, or the center, may well be overwhelmingly popular soon, simply because war is not the answer, a military solution is not the only choice, and the right-wing are proving themselves inept under these circumstances. Syriza may have discredited themselves, Varoufakis hasn't, neither is the drive for a more democratic Europe. But in the case of this issue, Greece has shown itself to have the qualities Europeans admire, They remain a people who respect themselves, and who recognise misery for what it is, even if they are "inefficient".

...yes i have heard the same suggestions, for Cyprus too, Famagusta being empty, plant them there.

In any case, Greece has changed from this invasion of destitution, and Greece will grow stronger from it. There will be integration, some do stay, and through it a bond between these people will grow, not just as Greeks, Citizens of Greece, as Individuals, but, as Persons in the larger Family of Man, Syrians and Greeks.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:46 pm

people need more than food and security, they have families, they need education for their children and work so they can support themselves. this cannot happen if they stay in greace. who in their right furqin ,mind would want to learn greak. what a waste of time.

next time the west wants to start something let people realise the mess these things get to. the western leaders should all be given a fair trial and then hung. its only fair that they get a fair trial.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby miltiades » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:52 pm

Lordo wrote:people need more than food and security, they have families, they need education for their children and work so they can support themselves. this cannot happen if they stay in greace. who in their right furqin ,mind would want to learn greak. what a waste of time.

next time the west wants to start something let people realise the mess these things get to. the western leaders should all be given a fair trial and then hung. its only fair that they get a fair trial.

Agree ! They should all head to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and other countries who share their culture and aspirations. Time for you Lordo to join them. By the way what does an 86 year old man want to carry on living in the UK :lol: :lol:
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:16 am

go to bed you silly old fool. and in the morning you perhaps can tell us the answer to the question you posed as you faker is the only one anywhere near 86.
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Re: EU ructions over Refugees

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:16 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It seems so obvious to me that refugees should be given adequate care and accommodation in Greece and be prevented from moving on, and the rest of the EU should foot the bill. The cost of living in Greece is lower than in, say, Germany, so it will cost less and Greece could use the money. The outcome will be that genuine refugees will be given sanctuary, while those whose real goal is to get to countries like Germany where they think the streets are paved with gold will be dissuaded from coming.


:lol: Very funny!

And I think the refugees should get a say in where they stay.

But failing that, then the UK should take the majority for being one of the culprits bombing them out of their countries in the first place.


On your thesis, Russia should take a large number.
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