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Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

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Do you think Turkey's many atrocities (e.g. the invasion of Cyprus) are forgivable:


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Yes - because they were momentary mistakes
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Yes - because they were accidents
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No - because they were intentional
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B25, GreekIslandGirl, Oceanside50, Pyrpolizer
Yes - but for other reasons (please state)
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No - but for other reasons (please state)
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Total votes : 4

Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby Sotos » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:09 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Lordo wrote:
johnoddy wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...my dislike of "Greeks", is only equal to my dislike of "Turks". Although i can respect a person (as an individual) for their opinion, having allowed me, mine. Boors, bullies, and murderers are another story.

...i never saw Cyprus as Greek, i always saw Cyprus as Cypriot, so did my cousin the closest i had to a brother and the rest of my family, actually. Many years later with his sister we recalled those wonderful nights together under the stars, when we were younger, and before the coup. She cried for the shame, because she never knew that the Flag of Cyprus represented her, then. I cried and felt the shame of knowing that the Flag of Greece could never represent me, and as a Greek i felt the shame of having to forgive those who could not understand my shame.

...i know there is a man behind the door of my great uncle's i am afraid to see. All these years where i have expressed the loving nature of one who follows, the way, i fear most how i would fail myself with him.

...and what of my dear friend Grivas, the brother, is he dead, his story untold; that would be a shame, because he was as great a man and maybe greater as a man because he knew when to stop, and on the holidays, although the "Greeks" would spit on him (i remember) he did not say a word.

My thoughts and understanding go out to you my OP, because it is a struggle for all of us, because i sense you need this support, and because i believe your intentions are for goodness; cheers.

@johnoddy, welcome. a question for you i have never found the answer to; of the UN soldiers stationed in Cyprus how many died and from whom?
..although you were shot at, i have been led to believe that, in all these years, not one of the UN Forces were killed, or injured, by a Grecophone in action; is this true?



I can certainly say that none of my Regiment, at that time, were killed or injured and to my recollection the only mortality was due to a road accident. We were under strict instructions never to get involved in any conflict hence we could only observe and report any atrocities we came across. We were issued with 5 rounds that were only to be used if we felt our lives were in danger, we could not use them in order to protect civilians, we felt helpless and, at times used our own bodies to protect civilians from groups of GNG, it was a hopeless situation and we felt like toothless guard dogs.

and yet there are greek cypriots here who do not believe the the turkish cypriots were under any threat.


Of course they were under threat AFTER they decided to side with foreign powers and attack the native Cypriot people. What did you think asshole... that you can attack us, demand partition, take away our democratic rights, help the colonialists to fight us, help the Turks invade us ... and you would come out of this unscathed? ASSHOLE! YOU are the aggressors in Cyprus. It is YOU who keep invading our island. In fact the first ancestors of the TCs are the Ottoman soldiers who invaded us and killed 10s of thousands of innocent people. And your mentality of oppressing the native people has NEVER changed since then... you invaded us again, you brought more foreign Settlers and gave to them our homes and you still occupy 1/3rd of our island. Our only fault is that we didn't have the power to kill enough of you. If, like the allies in WWII, we had the power to bomb you to the ground and even nuke Turkish cities, then Cyprus would be free today and you wouldn't be able to cause problems to us anymore.


Don't be so mad with us Sotos. Think about it, how many of your women and girls would have escaped from the hot-bloodied Ottomans? If you really think about this and do a mathematical calculation there is every chance you are as Turkish as me or Lordo is :lol:


I don't look like Asian at all... so nothing Turkish in me. If you don't look fully Asian as real Turks were, then it means you are a bastard ;)
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:58 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:I hate the acts of Greece and GC that have caused pain and suffering to me and mine.


You mean you hate that we put up some resistance to your invasions, genocides, and continued occupation? :roll:


No I mean I hate the act of members of an ethnic based illegal armed militia, taking my Uncle in broad daylight and in public from his place of work and murdering him, without any trial or due process or the need for such and dumping his body in a well, all whilst secure in the belief that they themselves would never be held to account for their actions. I hate this act but I do my best to choose to try and not let that hatred for this act turn into a general hatred for all GC or the RoC.

Just as I hate the act of you, whenever I mention this reality, saying or suggesting that my Uncle must therefore have been a terrorist (as if that would justify what was done to him even if he was), without recourse or need for ANY evidence to support such and despite hard documentary credible evidence to the contrary. I hate that act but I try my best not to let my hatred of that act turn into a hatred of you as a person. I do not always succeed in such effort but I make it none the less.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:06 pm

I don't want to dishonour the memory of any dead - but there were many TCs who led a double life, as teachers etc, and also stored weapons, guns and bombs, for TMT and allowed Turkey to destroy Cyprus' fledgling democracy.

GCs never left Cyprus to destroy Turks or invade their country!

GCs have only ever fought to free Cyprus!
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby MR-from-NG » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:19 pm

quote="Sotos"]
Lordo wrote:
johnoddy wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...my dislike of "Greeks", is only equal to my dislike of "Turks". Although i can respect a person (as an individual) for their opinion, having allowed me, mine. Boors, bullies, and murderers are another story.

...i never saw Cyprus as Greek, i always saw Cyprus as Cypriot, so did my cousin the closest i had to a brother and the rest of my family, actually. Many years later with his sister we recalled those wonderful nights together under the stars, when we were younger, and before the coup. She cried for the shame, because she never knew that the Flag of Cyprus represented her, then. I cried and felt the shame of knowing that the Flag of Greece could never represent me, and as a Greek i felt the shame of having to forgive those who could not understand my shame.

...i know there is a man behind the door of my great uncle's i am afraid to see. All these years where i have expressed the loving nature of one who follows, the way, i fear most how i would fail myself with him.

...and what of my dear friend Grivas, the brother, is he dead, his story untold; that would be a shame, because he was as great a man and maybe greater as a man because he knew when to stop, and on the holidays, although the "Greeks" would spit on him (i remember) he did not say a word.

My thoughts and understanding go out to you my OP, because it is a struggle for all of us, because i sense you need this support, and because i believe your intentions are for goodness; cheers.

@johnoddy, welcome. a question for you i have never found the answer to; of the UN soldiers stationed in Cyprus how many died and from whom?
..although you were shot at, i have been led to believe that, in all these years, not one of the UN Forces were killed, or injured, by a Grecophone in action; is this true?



I can certainly say that none of my Regiment, at that time, were killed or injured and to my recollection the only mortality was due to a road accident. We were under strict instructions never to get involved in any conflict hence we could only observe and report any atrocities we came across. We were issued with 5 rounds that were only to be used if we felt our lives were in danger, we could not use them in order to protect civilians, we felt helpless and, at times used our own bodies to protect civilians from groups of GNG, it was a hopeless situation and we felt like toothless guard dogs.

and yet there are greek cypriots here who do not believe the the turkish cypriots were under any threat.


Of course they were under threat AFTER they decided to side with foreign powers and attack the native Cypriot people. What did you think asshole... that you can attack us, demand partition, take away our democratic rights, help the colonialists to fight us, help the Turks invade us ... and you would come out of this unscathed? ASSHOLE! YOU are the aggressors in Cyprus. It is YOU who keep invading our island. In fact the first ancestors of the TCs are the Ottoman soldiers who invaded us and killed 10s of thousands of innocent people. And your mentality of oppressing the native people has NEVER changed since then... you invaded us again, you brought more foreign Settlers and gave to them our homes and you still occupy 1/3rd of our island. Our only fault is that we didn't have the power to kill enough of you. If, like the allies in WWII, we had the power to bomb you to the ground and even nuke Turkish cities, then Cyprus would be free today and you wouldn't be able to cause problems to us anymore.[/quote]

Don't be so mad with us Sotos. Think about it, how many of your women and girls would have escaped from the hot-bloodied Ottomans? If you really think about this and do a mathematical calculation there is every chance you are as Turkish as me or Lordo is :lol:[/quote]

I don't look like Asian at all... so nothing Turkish in me. If you don't look fully Asian as real Turks were, then it means you are a bastard ;)[/quote]

I might have mentioned this before but I'm convinced we were Christians converted to Muslim for obvious reasons :wink: I can't remember seeing any of my elders ever going to mosque or praying. But having said that I'm far too handsome to be Greek so I'm taking a guess that I'm most probably Italian :lol: :lol:
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I don't want to dishonour the memory of any dead -


That is not the impression I have got from what you have said about this when it has been mentioned in the past. In the past it has felt to me that you have in fact actively pissed on my uncles memory. It may well be that was not your intention when you wrote what you did but it is how it made me feel none the less.

In any case it really is irrelevant to the point I am and have been trying to make here and now. It really does not matter if the reason why I have cause or believe I have cause to hate and ACT are 'true' or not. Even if I mistaken as to why I hate an act, that does not change the point - which is, whilst hating that act (rightly or wrongly) I still then have a choice as to if I will try to not let this hated of this act become a hatred of GC and a (GC run) RoC, or not.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:01 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:I don't want to dishonour the memory of any dead -


That is not the impression I have got from what you have said about this when it has been mentioned in the past. In the past it has felt to me that you have in fact actively pissed on my uncles memory. It may well be that was not your intention when you wrote what you did but it is how it made me feel none the less.

In any case it really is irrelevant to the point I am and have been trying to make here and now. It really does not matter if the reason why I have cause or believe I have cause to hate and ACT are 'true' or not. Even if I mistaken as to why I hate an act, that does not change the point - which is, whilst hating that act (rightly or wrongly) I still then have a choice as to if I will try to not let this hated of this act become a hatred of GC and a (GC run) RoC, or not.


My hating Turkey for her actions in Cyprus, Greece etc is completely different to you choosing to hate GCs' actions. GCs have not invaded Turkish territories. GCs have fought to free Cyprus. You have no valid reason to hate GCs other than if you want to take over the whole of Cyprus.

Not only have your people (or those who operate in your name -Turks) invaded Cyprus and continue to occupy Cyprus but they have caused misery to millions of people for decades. My choosing to hate Turkey for these atrocities is because these actions are wrong and evil and have to be terminated as we move towards a more humane society. You choosing to hate or not GCs is NOT at all the same thing. Your people had the first choice - the choice to invade Cyprus and kill thousands of GC and GCs were left ONLY with defending ourselves and Cyprus.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:57 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I don't want to dishonour the memory of any dead - but there were many TCs who led a double life, as teachers etc, and also stored weapons, guns and bombs, for TMT and allowed Turkey to destroy Cyprus' fledgling democracy.

GCs never left Cyprus to destroy Turks or invade their country!

GCs have only ever fought to free Cyprus!


...i am afraid that you delude yourself, there are enemies among us as Greeks, who as "Greeks" have the same intention as the "Turks", subjugation, and the end to a Cyprus, as Cyprus where Cypriots live. The vast majority are Greek, indeed; who populate the island. But you must make up your mind GIG, whether "this" must stop.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:41 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:...because these actions are wrong and evil


I could 'wax lyrical' about how absurd and narrow-minded the idea that what was done to my Uncle was not wrong, was not evil, is. There would however be no point with regards to yourself, that I can see.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:02 am

Many fellow citizens ask a simple question: After so many years of occupation, so many conflicts in the past, so much pain, can we live together with Turkish Cypriots? My answer is also simple: exactly because we all have gone through a lot on this island, we have no other way but to discover the path to safety.

President Nicos Anastasiades


...well said, i think.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:48 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:...because these actions are wrong and evil


I could 'wax lyrical' about how absurd and narrow-minded the idea that what was done to my Uncle was not wrong, was not evil, is. There would however be no point with regards to yourself, that I can see.


All deliberate killings are wrong and evil and that is why I hate warmongers like Turkey.
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