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What if ....

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Best if Cyprus was returned to the Hellenic Nation to avoid refugees created in 1974.


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Yes, that's the most merciful overall solution.
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No, the Turks deserve a piece of Cyprus.
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No, the Brits should have kept all of Cyprus.
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Re: What if ....

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:08 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:I dont know what you are talking about now.

My comments are factually correct.


all people's have a right to self determination, and your expressed wish to over ride that with Enosis with Greece is on very shaky ground as far as the International community and UN are concerned.


So the TC's are a seperate independent people are they? :lol:


No inherently. but they have a right to self determination when something stupid like ENOSIS occurs. We played right into turkey's hands!

http://www.iwgia.org/human-rights/self-determination

The right to self-determination. The right of self-determination of peoples is a fundamental principle in international law. ... By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."
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Re: What if ....

Postby Maximus » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:10 am

So are you now saying that they deserve the TRNC and Cyprus deserves 200k refugees and a diuvided island?
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Re: What if ....

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:17 am

Maximus wrote:So they deserve the TRNC then and Cyprus deserves 200k refugees and a diuvided island?


No! no one is saying that at all. they don't deserve the "trnc" and the united nations never said that and has even issued resolutions denying them any legitimacy.

The United nations only supports this because official RoC policy does not approve of ENOSIS.
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Re: What if ....

Postby Maximus » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:25 am

what are you talking about?
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Re: What if ....

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:35 am

Maximus wrote:what are you talking about?


You know what i am talking about.

We are talking about ENOSIS and Cyprus and the popular insinuation that 80% can force their will on 20% on something like this.

the other option is to forget that shit about the 80% Vs 20% because there are no winners there.
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Re: What if ....

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:39 am

Maximus wrote:So are you now saying that they deserve the TRNC and Cyprus deserves 200k refugees and a diuvided island?

all thanks to your stupidity tcs will end up with recognised trnc sooner or later. you are stil makeing the same stupid mistakes as makarios and clan did in the 50s. you ignore the wishes of the tcs at your peril. you can take your part of cyprus and shove it up your arse for all i care now furqe off to greece you stupid galamarised excuse for one cell brained idiot.
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Re: What if ....

Postby Schnauzer » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:So are you now saying that they deserve the TRNC and Cyprus deserves 200k refugees and a diuvided island?

all thanks to your stupidity tcs will end up with recognised trnc sooner or later. you are stil makeing the same stupid mistakes as makarios and clan did in the 50s. you ignore the wishes of the tcs at your peril. you can take your part of cyprus and shove it up your arse for all i care now furqe off to greece you stupid galamarised excuse for one cell brained idiot.


Just as the 'Brits' (& co) managed to create the disharmony that still exists in Ireland (and elsewhere), so has the situation in Cyprus been festering and the 'Cypriot' people been set one against the other and will continue flourish, with the added bonus that the 'Plan' which was well tried in the past (how to split nations and gain contrtol over them) , seems to have proven itself to be a good one for those that wish to ride roughshod over weaker nations.

The current situation in the ME, is yet another example of the operation in motion and the same powers (and more) are seen to be behind the overthrows, problem is, THIS time there are other nations that are unwilling to stand by and watch as the 'Lunatics' rave.

One should seek the answer to the question of "Where does the responsibility for ALL of it lie ?", perhaps a glance through world history of the last century might hold a clue BUT, it looks like it is too late to stop the rot now.

Yet there are still those that have the 'Courage' to fight for their principles, against the mightiest of odds.. "Good Luck to them". :wink:
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Re: What if ....

Postby boomerang » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:00 pm

Maximus wrote:
boomerang wrote:GiG is your type of thinking that divided the island and this topic of yours is a testament to the division and hence the 200, 000 refugees..
Greece invades first giving the turks the excuse and now you are crying...

How many times has greece screwed cyprus...do you know?


Lets get it right Boomers, British and Turkish thinking divided the island because they followed through with doing just that.

Enosis does not mean partition.

The Turks and the Brits should not have a piece of Cyprus to call sovereign or de facto this or that..

Really?

The gcs had a de facto enosis with no problems from 63-74...but I guess that was not good enough for the few morons huh....

Running the whole country and NO tcs in government, no refugees what so ever... again not good enough?

When the situation was improving again not good enough, so Greece invades instead...

Again how many times has Greece screwed Cyprus?... you refused to answer this one...come on the least you can do is try and have a crack in answering rather than shitting all over the place...

Greece had a major hand in splitting the country...Greece is to be held accountable regarding splitting and 200,000 refugees... why do you think Greece will never open the Cyprus file... if they had nothing to hide they would have published the Cyprus file, but how can they when they were the instigators...
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Re: What if ....

Postby boomerang » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:10 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:So if Britain eventually would have granted independece to CYprus and if Cypriots would have then chosen enosis with Greece and the Turks and the Brits accepted their choice, this would have also avoided 200,000 refugees and a divided island.


there is no way in the world Cypriots would choose ENOSIS in the 80s.

And probably, the Brits wouldn't allow it, preferring instead statehood.

they didn't even accept the total annexation of Hong Kong to China, declaring it a self governing Autonomous area belonging to China. That is because Hong Kongers never wanted china to begin with.

Hong Kong does belong to china and china decided how Hong Kong is run and nothing to do with the British... money dictated how Hong long was to be run.... and not the British...honkers can't decide shit apart from a few demonstrations as china tightens the noose....

Have you been to Hong Kong recently?.... most shops do not speak English these days...
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Re: What if ....

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:42 pm

I have just seen the slated poll. I refuse to vite because it tbe usual crap from gIG. The attempts to achive Enosis was the cause of the settlement in 1960, nearly caused invasion in 64 and 67 and lead to the events of 74, but gIG in her dream world cannot see it. Following the events of the early 1920's Turkey was never going let Greece have full control of Cyprus.

Plus I think Enosis would in any event bern an utter disaster leading to Cyprus becoming an economic backwater, where anyone with get up and go woukd do just that, because there woukd be nothing here. Just as Athens has sucked so much out of much of the rest of Greece so it would economically do to Cyprus.

Enosis alway was a romantic dream that would become a nightmare.
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