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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby CBBB » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:37 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:RIP UK. I was on the phone this morning to make an appointment with a lawyer to start my application for Cypriot citizenship.


You don't need a lawyer, just complete the forms and submit them, then find someone with a bit of "meson" in the immigration department to speed the process up a bit.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:39 pm

CBBB wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:RIP UK. I was on the phone this morning to make an appointment with a lawyer to start my application for Cypriot citizenship.


You don't need a lawyer, just complete the forms and submit them, then find someone with a bit of "meson" in the immigration department to speed the process up a bit.


I have decided to go through a lawyer. They know the ropes better than me.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:42 pm

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... However, it seemed to me that they were trying to make a point. The point being. "Think what we could do here in the UK with the £350,000,000 we give to the EU, each and every week, in order to be a member".

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The point is that if the economy contracts, so does the tax base, so you end up losing that money anyway if there is a big enough contraction.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:03 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
... However, it seemed to me that they were trying to make a point. The point being. "Think what we could do here in the UK with the £350,000,000 we give to the EU, each and every week, in order to be a member".

...


The point is that if the economy contracts, so does the tax base, so you end up losing that money anyway if there is a big enough contraction.


Tim! Sorry, I thought you'd left. :wink:

"If". Actually, it's doing OK. Moreover, check out the EU. It's cumulative bureaucratic fetishes, not least addiction to regulation (if it ain't regulated, it's illegal) have resulted in it's having one of the most sclerotic economic models - ipso facto growth - of all the major contenders. Sorry, very long sentence, :oops: Also, despite the RIP, people are still trampling others to death in order to get in. Although,of course, you are headed in the other direction.

£350,000,000 a week buys an awful lot of conkers. :wink:
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:09 pm

Londonrake wrote:
"If". Actually, it's doing OK.



That's what a lot of people in the Brexit camp just don't seem to get. When we say that Brexit will be disastrous for the UK, we mean after the UK leaves the EU, not the day after the referendum. The UK currently remains a full member of the EU and benefits from membership. Noody ever said that the economy would collapse the day after the vote. That is just a man of straw.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:15 pm

Londonrake wrote:
£350,000,000 a week buys an awful lot of conkers.


See. You just do not get it. It is not a zero sum game in the way you imagine it to be. For example, let us suppose that a country's GDP will be 60 billion if it remains in a trade block, and 50 billion if it is outside that trade block. Let us assume that tax revenue is one-third of GDP. This means that tax revenue will be 20 billion inside the trade block and 16,666,666,666 outside. That means that it is worth that country paying anything up to 20,000,000,000 - 16,666,666,666 = 3,333,333,333 to remain inside that block.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:29 pm

Londonrake wrote:Also, despite the RIP, people are still trampling others to death in order to get in. Although,of course, you are headed in the other direction.


Again, you don't get it. We are not talking about the here and now but the disaster we see coming after a hard Brexit.

You may not be aware of it, but many people in the UK who are entitled to nationality of another EU country are applying for it. There is a huge backlog of applications for Irish passports and many Jewish people of German heritage are reportedly even holding their noses and applying for citizenship of the country that gassed their relatives. There is a big surge in applications for local nationality by British residents of other EU countries, and I am about to join them. I am in good company. So, either we are stupid or know something. Time will tell who the stupid ones are: Those who believe everything the right-wing tabloids print to be gospel, or those who don't.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Londonrake wrote:Moreover, check out the EU. It's cumulative bureaucratic fetishes, not least addiction to regulation (if it ain't regulated, it's illegal) have resulted in it's having one of the most sclerotic economic models - ipso facto growth - of all the major contenders.


The issue here is not the EU but Europe. The developed world is having a hard time in an increasingly globalised world, and growth is moving from the developed countries to Asia. The only solution would be to physically transport the UK into Asia, which is impossible, so we have to accept the fact of our geography and realise that we are better off inside our own local integrated market than outside it.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:46 pm

Well Tim, I could address all of your points, as I could have done the felacious statements you made in the exchange of a few days ago. But, I ain't going to. :wink:

You are clearly very single minded on the Brexit issue and - if I may add - a bit of an "every silver lining has a cloud" bloke.

Given you're feelings, I think you're doing exactly the right thing and wish you the best of luck in attaining your desire to remain a citizen of the EUSSR.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Lordo » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:20 pm

Londonrake wrote:Well Tim, I could address all of your points, as I could have done the felacious statements you made in the exchange of a few days ago. But, I ain't going to. :wink:

You are clearly very single minded on the Brexit issue and - if I may add - a bit of an "every silver lining has a cloud" bloke.

Given you're feelings, I think you're doing exactly the right thing and wish you the best of luck in attaining your desire to remain a citizen of the EUSSR.


your cloud will have a lighting strike though. when it hits you will know.

there is no doubt that we have to trade with the eu under wto rules and it will cost a hell of a lot more than the 350 milion a week. but don't worry you will be in control of your borders as much as you were with the rest of the world. and of course the workers rights will go too but that does not matter after all you dont have to work anymore.
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