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Re: Gibraltar

Postby Londonrake » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:29 pm

Londonrake wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Meantime, get a life and perhaps start taking posts in the tone that they are presented.


Says the OP who starts a thread about retaining sovereignty over "Gibraltar" on a Cyprus Forum! :roll:


No different in that respect from Trump, Brexit, Russia, USA, Alexander Blackman, Iran, Saudi, Korea, et al? :roll:

Unlike the ridiculous talk of war and other Armageddon-like posts on Gibraltar at that time it was a lighthearted stab at the fact the people there have just elected an ex Miss World as their Mayor. Nothing other than a bit of a joke.

Look at the subsequent posts though. Jeez! Enosis, money laundering, "Royal slaves", Imperialism, etc. Totally irrelevant to the OP, uncalled for and some clearly racist.

Like I said, try taking posts in the context of the tone they are presented. That is - get a life.
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby Londonrake » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:33 pm

Erratum: :oops:

Whilst 12000 cross the border into Gib from Spain everyday, only 7000 are actually Spanish by birth. Quite a weighty bit of local employment though, nevertheless.
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:38 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Anyway, suddenly I have become very pro-Gibraltarian!



And there we have the typical British attitude!

Another tax haven and money-laundering bit of soil for the British bigwigs to profit from whilst the plebs enjoy a bit of jingoism.

Rule Britannia!

:lol:

Who gives a monkey's when Cyprus has lost sooooo much from Royal-slaves like you?
u

So let's discuss money laundering. Trump this....
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-and-his-buddies-keep-red-flags-flying-russia-probe-576995
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby Londonrake » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Anyway, suddenly I have become very pro-Gibraltarian!



And there we have the typical British attitude!

Another tax haven and money-laundering bit of soil for the British bigwigs to profit from whilst the plebs enjoy a bit of jingoism.

Rule Britannia!

:lol:

Who gives a monkey's when Cyprus has lost sooooo much from Royal-slaves like you?
u

So let's discuss money laundering. Trump this....
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-and-his-buddies-keep-red-flags-flying-russia-probe-576995


You won't find a richer and financially murkier bunch of people than surround the likes of Trump and Putin. All this hoo-haa about Syria is obviously just a very clever smoke screen. Part of the deal.

Anyway, that's going to be my contribution to the upcoming "Conspiracy Theory of the year" contest. :wink: :D
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:50 am

Londonrake wrote:Erratum: :oops:

Whilst 12000 cross the border into Gib from Spain everyday, only 7000 are actually Spanish by birth. Quite a weighty bit of local employment though, nevertheless.


First of all, you are basing your argument on the premise that if Gibraltar reverted to Spain it will turn into a black hole and there will be no more employement there. This is an obvious fallacy. If Gibraltar returned to Spain, it would continue to function as a town where commercial activity takes place and employment is generated. What you would actually have to find is the net job loss (or gain) i.e. you will have to compare the loss of these 12,000 existing jobs with the number of jobs Spaniards would have in Gibraltar if it became part of Spain, and this could even conceivably be a net gain if Gibraltar ends up providing more Spaniards with jobs after it reverts to the country.

Secondly, the population of Spain is about 46 million. Assuming that half of these people are of working age, that makes 23 million. So, even if 12,000 jobs were to be lost, that would amount to 0.05% of the total number of jobs needed. No big deal. I suspect if you did a poll of Spaniards, it would be a price they would be prepared to pay to get Gibraltar back.
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby Londonrake » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:20 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:First of all, you are basing your argument on the premise that if Gibraltar reverted to Spain it will turn into a black hole and there will be no more employement (sic) there. This is an obvious fallacy. If Gibraltar returned to Spain, it would continue to function as a town where commercial activity takes place and employment is generated. What you would actually have to find is the net job loss (or gain) i.e. you will have to compare the loss of these 12,000 existing jobs with the number of jobs Spaniards would have in Gibraltar if it became part of Spain, and this could even conceivably be a net gain if Gibraltar ends up providing more Spaniards with jobs after it reverts to the country.

Secondly, the population of Spain is about 46 million. Assuming that half of these people are of working age, that makes 23 million. So, even if 12,000 jobs were to be lost, that would amount to 0.05% of the total number of jobs needed. No big deal. I suspect if you did a poll of Spaniards, it would be a price they would be prepared to pay to get Gibraltar back.


Thank you for returning the thread to it's origin. Although, strictly speaking, that of course could only have been truly achieved with a suitable remark about the lovely Kaiane Lopez, who is the nicest Mayor I've seen in my lifetime. :wink: :lol: That was, after all, what led to all of this.

Firstly I would say that I have been to Gibraltar many, many times and know people who live and were born there and I have worked with one or two. Their British patriotism and desire to remain part of the UK would put many who actually live in it to shame. I can absolutely assure you that there is no way they are ever going to give in to whatever is directed at them by Spain.

History suggests that Spain's main "weapon" has been either to completely close the border or to inhibit movement there to the point of virtual stasis. Either way, it obviously impacts directly upon employment.

I don't wish to cross-pollinate but the statistical argument you employ is one often used by Remainers***. "It's only a piffling percent". The truth though is less obvious and more compelling. The unemployment rate in that region (Andalusia) is the worst in the EU. 34.8%. The effect of denying thousands of people their jobs in Gibraltar would be locally horrendous. I suspect it would lead to civil unrest. Just my opinion, of course.


*** Whilst "only" 4% or so of EU exports are sent to the UK that percentage is actually concentrated in just a few countries. As it happens, the wealthiest and most influential. The effects of loosing that trade would result in billions of € in lost revenue and thousands of jobs. I hesitate to say that it's lying with statistics but it's certainly misleading - just a teeny bit. :wink:
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Re: Gibraltar

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:43 pm

...comes to mind how many Brits live in Spain, not just Gibraltar; that demographic would change too, i suppose.
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