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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:every chance kikapu gets he attacks muslims like his old buddykant milti. he is blind to what extend his yank friends are in control of these governments in the arab world. to this day erdogan has done nothing to upset the yanks. so long he does what they say they dont give a shit what else he does.

in the early 60s when the tergs found out that grivas was in cyprus the americans assured them that he is there to fight communists. they were oblivious to his real agenda. it seems the yanks have never learn from their mistakes. this can be expalined by the fact that the yanks make mistakes but others pay the price.


Just stating the fact, Lordo, that Muslim nations in general and Democracy are not compatible, that's all. The proof is in the pudding as they say, no? :wink:

of course it seems that way if you are from another planet like uranus. but for those of us who live on thi sgod forsaken planet we understand that the world is divided between the three major powers usa russia and china. very few countries are outside of the sphere of influence. almost all arab countries are under american control except syria and iran which is under russian control. but to a political lightweight like yourself it is perfectly ok to believe what you believe in as on the surfce it looks that way. of course american corporations and the us government are all democratic and powerless to do anything about these stupid arabs who just cannot handle democracy. sleep on baby.


What you say above may or may not be true, but the facts don't change, no matter whether one lives in Uranus or not! :wink:
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Sotos » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:40 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Surely you could argue that the TRNC, whether recognised or not, is a perfect working example of a secular democratic state with a Muslim population. If it can work there, with Islam having no involvement in politics or public life but being a purely private matter, in theory it can work elsewhere.


That is only until you realize that the great majority of the population of that territory has been ethnically cleansed and has no say in that pseudo government. You call that "democracy"??? Majority rule is a basic principle of democracy. You can't have democracy if you silence / kill / ethnically cleanse the majority.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:47 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Surely you could argue that the TRNC, whether recognised or not, is a perfect working example of a secular democratic state with a Muslim population. If it can work there, with Islam having no involvement in politics or public life but being a purely private matter, in theory it can work elsewhere.

That’s only because these people lived as a minority in a predominantly Christian country for over a century, so the subsequent occupied territory evolved a very unique character under extraordinary circumstances.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:33 am

Btw, I don’t know if you people have given this any thought but… many things that have and will come about as a result of the outcome of this Turkish referendum disqualify Turkey's EU membership application which in turn disqualifies the CyProb negotiation process.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:30 am

Some of us have been trying to tell you morons for years that Erdoğan and the AKP have no interest in taking Turkey into the EU. It was all a propaganda stunt to keep the liberal section of society with them for as long as they needed to win free elections.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:44 am

Incidentally, I notice there is a subdued mood among the fascists in Turkey just now, even the mad Sultan does not appear to be his usual self. The fact is that everybody and their dog in Turkey knows that, the way polls are run nowadays in Turkey, if the declared result was 51.5%, this means the real result went the other way and it has no legitimacy in anybody's eyes. The days have long gone when Erdoğan could sweep to victory in genuine polls and even the contested result points to a haemorrhaging of support for the AKP. I think they are disappointed because the plan was to engineer a far higher figure and, thanks to many unsung heros who took part in a widely supported citizen's initiative coupled with the sterling work by opposition party people serving at polling stations, they managed to prevent a far larger fraud from being committed. The CHP is still contesting the result and does not accept the unstamped voting slips.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:37 pm

Things get better. It appears that there exists no duly consituted Supreme Election Board resolution for unstamped voting slips to be deemed valid. There is also increasing talk of large-scale systematic fraud having been conducted by means of these unstamped slips.

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http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/engl ... ution.html
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:51 pm

I don't know where they have got the figure from, but the Guardian is speaking of one and a half million unstamped votes that were deemed valid. If so, this is a large enough number to potentially affect the outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... commission
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pm

Any idiots who voted 'Yes' based on the promise that the state of emergency would be lifted (a claim made on the poster shown below) would have been disappointed. It has been extended by yet another three months!

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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:26 pm

he will not remove it till the next vote. but surely at this point the mps have to vte for it as his powersdo not start till the next election. mhp are total assholes and i hope they get wiped off the political mapin the next election.
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