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Postby Kifeas » Wed May 24, 2006 7:39 pm

NeverSayGoodbye wrote:Soviet Flags and AKEL.


What is this supposed to mean?
Is this all you have to say on this issue?

Are you seriously saying to me now that the here and there occasional appearance of just a few communist flags by Akel supporters, do any –set aside the same- damage to the perception that the other community maintains towards the aims and aspirations of the Greek Cypriot community? Get real please!

I am astonished by your inability to realise and understand the damage that all the above that I described do cause to the overall well intended Greek Cypriot community’s objectives. I cannot believe that there are people among this society that can have such a myopic perspective, as not to be able to see that what in effect they are doing is to continuously offer ammunition to the Turkish propaganda thesis! That all they are doing is to score own goals to their side!
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Postby NeverSayGoodbye » Wed May 24, 2006 7:45 pm

Hey I was just joking... :oops:
Well i thought it was funny...
I know where you are coming from..here we are demanding a United Cyprus and at the same time waving the Greek flag around..
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Postby cypezokyli » Wed May 24, 2006 9:30 pm

Kifeas wrote:What if I did?

You have to realise that it is people with views like yours that the Turkish pro-partition nationalist propaganda is using, in order to consolidate its arguments and claims visa vie the nature of the solution that we should have in Cyprus. In fact, you are not saying anything different than what Denktash has been professing all along (“in Cyprus the only Cypriots are the donkeys,”) until he started convincing the international community for the “rightfulness” and “truthfulness” of his vision, hence we got the Annan plan from the UN itself!

However, the international community did not start becoming convinced by Denktash and the Turkish propaganda, alone! It also started becoming convinced of this idea, after carefully monitoring and analysing the deeds and preaching of suckers like you among the Greek Cypriot community. Suckers like you who unfortunately exist in large numbers among us, and who feel ashamed to touch the Cypriot flag, but who instead rush with every single stupid opportunity out of their houses and in the streets, wrapped with the Greek flag, in order to celebrate. Suckers like you who, while a Cypriot football team plays against a Turkish team, they will take hundreds of Greek flags in the stadium but absolutely not a single Cypriot one, disheartening the few Turkish Cypriots who came to the stadium to see a Cypriot team playing against a Turkish one and ready to celebrate its victory because they thought it was a Cypriot team. It is suckers like you, who, like the other sucker, the known “VW” singer that presented the voting results of Cyprus the other night for the Eurovision contest, who feel ashamed to say they are Cypriots but instead that they are only Greeks. It is suckers like you who will go and demonstrate on every 15th of November at the green line against the declaration of the “TRNC,” but they will go there with the Greek flags instead of the Cypriot ones (what an oxymoron and paradoxical idea indeed!) It is suckers like you that they hear and see, who, as soon as someone says in the media that there is a need to create a Cypriot (RoC) national anthem -different from the Greek one, they start screaming out in the media and ask for his beheading for daring to suggest something like that, something which they view as an anathema and an attempt to “de-hellenise” them (sic,) as if our entire and centuries old Greekness depends only and revolves only around a piece of cloth and a song!

Of course the foreigners -when they see all these capricious and “ethno-malako-centric” attitudes and behaviours among the Greek Cypriot community, will eventually become convinced that Denktash and the Turkish nationalists have a point and that they are right in their propaganda claims!

Suckers!
Traitors without cause!


wonderful post.
i dont know what antreis position is on the above , he has still to clarify it.
but i know a number of people in here that classify in the above group.
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Postby Realist » Wed May 24, 2006 10:04 pm

I can see your very passionate about this subject Kifeas and I don't want to inflame a situation, as I've read many of your posts and can see that you do the research.

What I would say though is that even if all GC stopped waving Greek flags, there would still be members of the international community that would site other reasons to call GC nationalist. I've heard people say that we should change the official language of the island. Now it would be an interesting experiment if both sides decided to participate but I fear that the real reasons for asking this kind of things to be done is to gradually culturally cleanse the GC of their common values. I have rarely heard such strong arguements for removing the Turkish flags from the north.

Even if all the Greek flags were removed from the free areas, the fact that the Turkish ones remain will render the excersise pointless as I believe that there are more settlers now in the north then TC and their loyalty is firmly with Turkey.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed May 24, 2006 11:29 pm

Realist wrote: What I would say though is that even if all GC stopped waving Greek flags, there would still be members of the international community that would site other reasons to call GC nationalist.

Such as?

Realist wrote: I've heard people say that we should change the official language of the island. Now it would be an interesting experiment if both sides decided to participate but I fear that the real reasons for asking this kind of things to be done is to gradually culturally cleanse the GC of their common values.

Realist, this is utter rubbish! Show me evidence of one single rational and serious person on the entire earth planet that has said something like that, and I will give up and go to become a hodja! You have to understand that no one is asking you or me or any other G/C to abandon our Greek or Greek Cypriot cultural heritage, or stop enhancing it, or stop speaking our language and /or stop following our customs, religion, tradition, etc, etc. You have to understand that the Greek flag and anthem are state symbols, and do not determine ones cultural identity. They are state symbols of another country, a brotherly friendly country, nevertheless another country! We are a separate, independed, sovereign country, and as such we have or we ought to have our own state symbols, and honour them! I do not claim that we should completely ban and trash the use of the Greek flag at places and times where and when it is appropriate. However, for god’s sake we should not emphasise it anymore than we should be doing for our own state symbols! Otherwise, the whole notion becomes absurd, oxymoron and paradoxical. We cannot be doing precisely the same thing with what the other side -which we term an outlaw entity and an illegally occupied territory of our country, is doing! We cannot claim to be the only legal entity in this country, the one representing the entire people (all the communities) of this nation /state, and at the same time use whatever an illegal entity is doing as an excuse to do likewise. After all, our Greekness as a community (in its socio-cultural form,) dates from thousands of years back, while the symbols that the mainland Greek state is now using (flag and anthem,) are only a recent discovery. The Greek civilisation and way of thinking, did not achieve what they achieved, and did not gain the respect and appreciation that they enjoy, with the particular symbols as their trademarks. They are far bigger, far deeper and far more universal, to be identified and equated with the symbols of the Modern Greek nation state, alone and only.

Realist wrote: I have rarely heard such strong arguements for removing the Turkish flags from the north.

Okay then, since you have never heard such strong arguments for removing the Turkish flags from the illegally occupied north part of your country from Turkey, let’s do as they do as well! Let’s also give up our independed and legitimate status as the RoC, and let’s call our side the “Greek Republic of Southern Cyprus,” let’s concede to partition and let’s recognise the north as it was self-proclaimed the “Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus,” so that we can have plenty of Greek flags waving around us and so that we also call ourselves the proud Greeks of the south Greek Cyprus only, like some T/Cs do in the north!

Long live Grivas and Eoka B’! Long live partition! Long live Enosis of ½ Cyprus with motherland Greece! Long live ½ Cyprus of Greek Christian orthodox people! Long live “Greek republic of southern Cyprus!”

That is where we will end one day with such brains!
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Postby Mickleham » Thu May 25, 2006 2:28 pm

Adopting a flag and an anthem is the first things that new nation agreed.

Then with years to come they become a true symbol and an identity of a nation

It has been the process of nations like:

Greece after 1821
Turkey .after Asia Minor
Pakistan 1947-8
Australia 1787
Fyrom
Croatia
And many many more...........

If we as Cypriots from early school years we learn to really love and respect our flag, then today we were not going where we have been and where we are now.

But our insistence to use someone’s else flag or flags of other nations as well as barbaric anthems of anger and revenge from the past have brought all these issues we cannot resolve today which will i hope not see our nation divided unto 2
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu May 25, 2006 5:32 pm

As I have already said previously we have been governed by puppet politicians from 1960 and onwards that were reluctant and weak to enforce the cypriot culture , the cypriot language and cypriot identity so People have been manipulated into believing that they were a part of the Greek nation.
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