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[-mikkie2-]

I would suggest to you guys arguing about the last cent, that the medical care received by the TC's is free at the point of use. There are no means tests placed on TC's to decide who is eligible for health care, there is no quota, there is no limit to the care that is received. Plenty of TC's for example are being treated abroad at the expense of the RoC.

So, the financial argument is irrelevant! What is relevant is that TC's are getting free medical care. Now is that a good thing or a bad thing? Do the TC's appreciate the fact that they get this service for free and that GC's are mainly not? Of course you will say that you are getting what is owed to you, whilst in the main, you want to disassociate yourselves from the RoC.

And whilst we are talking finance, the RoG GDP is around $10bn. It is a net CONTRIBUTOR to the EU budget. The free areas of Cyprus have one of the highest incomes per head in the Mediterranean region.

[insan]

I would suggest to you guys arguing about the last cent, that the medical care received by the TC's is free at the point of use. There are no means tests placed on TC's to decide who is eligible for health care, there is no quota, there is no limit to the care that is received. Plenty of TC's for example are being treated abroad at the expense of the RoC.

Expense of the RoC? You still insist on that?

So, the financial argument is irrelevant! What is relevant is that TC's are getting free medical care. Now is that a good thing or a bad thing? Do the TC's appreciate the fact that they get this service for free and that GC's are mainly not? Of course you will say that you are getting what is owed to you,

The Cypriots who have an income under of a certain amount get it for free. What I said about it is very clear there's no need to distort it with distractions.

whilst in the main, you want to disassociate yourselves from the RoC.

Put yourself in TCs shoes who genuinely wish reunification, think twice and talk more carefuly...

And whilst we are talking finance, the RoG GDP is around $10bn. It is a net CONTRIBUTOR to the EU budget. The free areas of Cyprus have one of the highest incomes per head in the Mediterranean region.

So what? You feel yourselves like the Kings of the region? Irrelevant![/quote]

[MicAtCyp]

Insan gardas,

Heres what various links say.

7/1/04
http://www.cyprusemb.se/dbase/cypemb/archive_136.asp

it should be noted that according to Government statistics for 2003 the total number of Turkish Cypriot patients who have received treatment by November 2003 reached 7,402 while the cost of those services was estimated around 1.65 million CYP.

Cost
It is estimated that the cost of the implementation of the Set of Measures towards the Turkish Cypriots has so far reached 10 million Cyprus Pounds.

4/8/04
http://www.xak.com/main/newsshow.asp?id=35367

THOUSANDS of Turkish Cypriots are visiting hospitals in the government-controlled areas, will the bill reaching £2.5 million a year, the Ministry of Health (?) said in a statement yesterday.

Health Ministry official Panayiotis Yiallouros said.....
Yiallouros said .....
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Who is this Yiallouros??? Is he making an estimate according to the Nov 2003 statistics?? is his job to make statistics?? As far as I know the Minister of Health is a she. Her name is Ntina Akkelidou.....

26/7/04

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... ht=medical

PRESS STATEMENT BY THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF CYPRUS Brussels, 26 July 2004

...If you visited Nicosia to-day you will see hundred of Turkish Cypriots visiting State medical facilitier of Greek Cypriot medical staff. A recent American visitor proudly announced to me that the USA allocated US $ 30.5 aid the T/C community. I was able to say "That’s fine, that’s however less than what we spent to treat T/C patients in our Hospitals.
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So what do we have here?
An official statistic for the months May-Nov2003 to a total amount of 1.65M for TC medical care.
A statement by someone of the Ministry of Health obviously making an estimate based on Nov 2003 statistics
A statement by Iacovou (Minister of Exterior) at Brussels saying we spent more than $30m.(= about 17M pounds)
And the statement of Papadopoulos as published in Politis stating that the amount is 17M

In view of the fact that it is quite possible that the number of TCs visiting the hospitals at the free areas has increased geometrically after Nov 2003 compared with the period from May 2003-Nov 2003 (beginning of the period after the opening of the gates) please draw your own conclussions as to which is the exact amount for 2004 . The safest way of course is to wait for the November 2004 official Statistics that will be published soon.

The point of the discussion though was not the exact amount of money spent to help the TCs! The point was to name things that Papadopoulos did in helping the TCs.
What do you have to say about that? A, sorry you already replied to that:

And if "our leaders" has been funded like "your leaders" most probably they would do the same things more or less for the sake of their dream...

So now that the TCs are going to get about 300 million Euros from the EU, could you please tell me what the Regime in the North will do for the GCs that will be

the same things more or less

Do you bet that they will do zero?

Insan let me ask you some questions:When did the regime in the North built it's own Power Station? Where from do you think they were getting free Electricity all those years? Where from they were getting free water supply?Why the RoC never builted a damn in the Karkotis river that is the only river in Cyprus that flows all year long, and let it's water go upto the sea in the Morphou area?Was the foreign aid for bicommunal projects shared equally yes or no? As for example the huge sewerage project of Nicosia excecuted when Akkinci was a mayor.Do you know how much that project costed? If yes then deduct it from the $300M that you mentioned.Then tell me how much is left for scholarships etc.

PS.I am also suspicious of Papadopoulos, but on the other hand should I say lies that he did not do anything? As you know I attend night school for learning Turkish.There are Tcs who do the same and learn Greek.All of us pay nothing! Some days ago I met a guy who graduated all five years of the course a long time ago.He told me that in the past they were paying 350 pounds a year! Well if that is not a measure for bringing the two communities together, I wonder what it is.

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

I was merely pointing out that Cyprus is a relatively well off country and it does not require aid in the way you seem to suggest. I am not saying that we are kings, and yes, my statement is relevant!

Why don't you just admit that the RoC has taken measures to help the TC's. Is it sooo hard to do or admit to?

First and formost, the money that is distributed by various agencies goes exclusively to NGO's. It does NOT go to the government for bicommunal projects. Health care is NOT a bicommunal project. It is the right of every citizen and that includes the TC's.

And Insan, I don't need you to tell me to think carefully because I do. Your leaders have spent the past 40 years trying to dissasociate themselves from the RoC. On the other hand, they still want the benefits of the RoC. Well, what is it going to be? You can't have all the cake and eat it too.

[insan]

I'll tell you shortly, my friends...


Put "our leaders", "your leaders" and all other self-seekers who exploit everything for their self-interests into one basket and kick them through to hell... I don't trust and believe them.


I know wery well how evil-hearted are all those self-seekers... So don't try to tell me how good is "our leaders" and how bad is "your leaders"...

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

Politics is a dirty business. Get over it. Its the same the world over! I'm not particularly happy with them either but at this moment in time they represent us so we have to make the best of a bad job until new blood is injected into our respective political arenas.

In any case, what we are talking about here is tangible benefits to both communities that can be measured. You have to admit, irrespective of whether you trust the politians or not, the TC's have benefited to a large extent from the opening of the Green Line! They have benefited by Turkey allowing the Line to be opened and they have benefitted by being able to claim for services they are entitled to (and in some cases not) as citizens of the RoC.

Unfortunately, the only benefit the GC's have had is to be able to visit their old homes, towns and villages, and to allow the 'unsavoury' sections of GC society to indulge in vices which are not so readily accomodated in the south.

[pantelis]

I'll tell you shortly, my friends...

Some modern poetry for my friend Insan..... with apologies!

http://www.newcommunities.net/ee/index. ... e_doomed1/

[pantelis]

We doomed!

[MicAtCyp]

Not the best poem I ever read but....

Any society that is willing to tolerate such abuses is doomed for certain.

It seems to me every society has passed/or is passing through that stage though, including the Cypriot one of course.

Anyhow, you live in a nation full of idiots Panteli.How could they re-elect Bush? Why didn’t they elect a new one?
Oh, I see. Because each one of their Presidents is supposed to start a new war, right?

[pantelis]

read these two opinions, for answers......

http://www.counterpunch.org/urban11182004.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort05272003.html