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Postby Eliko » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:25 pm

I would appeal to EVERY member to take the time to familiarize themselves with the contents of this compelling account of American virtues, perhaps we may then be able to stem some of the drivel we have been subjected to recently, may God bless all who have and are now suffering at the hands of this evil nation.

Look it up on 'Google', Bury my heart at wounded knee.

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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:28 pm

how fair is that, eliko? that was in the 1800's. it is now 2007. for a nation that is a mere 200+ years old, we have come much farther than cyprus in there thousands and thousands of years as a "civilized" nation.
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:47 pm

I read the book a very long time ago and would also endorse it as worth a read. I can't however, agree with simple generalisations about national character.

Some forum members are from the US and they don't seem "evil" to me as individuals. As to whether the US is in some way collectively "evil", well I would say that it promotes its national interests in the same way that other nations try to do but of course it does have the power to do so far more effectively.
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:33 pm

you call Iraq "effective" bill? i call it cold blooded imperialism with no respect for human life...

GG you are lot older than me and i do respect you but you do live in a nutshell, your views are everything that the rest of the world "so blindly" generalises about the avarage American. But i dont think you are evil at all, im sure you are a wonderful lady.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:41 pm

Thank you bill cobbett for your objective response to this topic, I agree with you that it is not quite fair to assume that all Americans are evil, recent events have stirred up much hostility towards that nation and I find myself also sympathetic with the 'hostiles'.
I invited members to avail themselves of that particular book since it does illustrate the manner in which the U.S.A. came to be the power it is now.
The fact that it is so powerful, surely puts it under an obligation to set examples to other nations, it cannot simply impose it's will on other cultures by force of arms and expect to be accepted by those cultures.
America is a relatively new society, it has a chequered past history and has even experienced a civil war, there are many aspects to the American way of life which are unacceptable to many other nations, they should consider such facts and act accordingly.
I also have friends in America, most of them are prepared to accept criticism (if justified), unfortunately there are many who would blindly follow insincere leadership, not because it is insincere, simply because it is leadership.
The country's foundation is shadowed by the destruction of ancient cultures, they should be aware of it and strive to preserve others, In my humble opinion.

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Postby Eliko » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:08 pm

GorillaGal, once again you 'Swing In' with a veiled insult directed at the country you say you wish to visit shortly. Do you really consider it unfair to offer members an opportunity to familiarize themselves with the basic history of your country, or do you feel a sense of shame?.
As to your boasts about development, the natural resources of the lands you aquired by stealth, lies and deception did indeed furnish you with the means for rapid evolvement, it's a pity your 'cultural' development did not undergo a similar expansion, your concept of 'freedom' is perplexing to other cultures which consider your interpretation of such as an excuse to behave in a manner more suitable to the animal kingdom.
It will be a great day when America can declare itself civilised. until then, continue with your daily shootings, drug dealing, (the list is endless), I think I am wasting my time, God Bless. X :) :) :) :) :)
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:40 pm

Eliko wrote: I think I am wasting my time, God Bless. X :) :) :) :) :)


....im actually taking great pleasure in reading your lovely posts, please do go on :lol:
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:10 pm

Eliko wrote:GorillaGal, once again you 'Swing In' with a veiled insult directed at the country you say you wish to visit shortly. Do you really consider it unfair to offer members an opportunity to familiarize themselves with the basic history of your country, or do you feel a sense of shame?.
As to your boasts about development, the natural resources of the lands you aquired by stealth, lies and deception did indeed furnish you with the means for rapid evolvement, it's a pity your 'cultural' development did not undergo a similar expansion, your concept of 'freedom' is perplexing to other cultures which consider your interpretation of such as an excuse to behave in a manner more suitable to the animal kingdom.
It will be a great day when America can declare itself civilised. until then, continue with your daily shootings, drug dealing, (the list is endless), I think I am wasting my time, God Bless. X :) :) :) :) :)


Eliko, my friend, you have to understand that what happened when the whites came to this country originally. They purchased land from the natives. the natives did not understand this agreement, ans they had no concept of owning land. they thought they were agreeing to share this land with the whites. it was purely a matter of miscommunication.
i am not saying that that makes it right.
if you want to learn more about america, learn about how we freed the slaves. and more recently how we dealt with segregation as early as the 1950's.
i am not ashamed of our history, eliko. everyone has skeletons in thier closets. you started this thread, it seems, to prove your point that the USA is evil. i maintain that we are not, and to point out something that happened a hundred and firty years ago is really grasping at straws.
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Postby LENA » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:28 pm

GorillaGal wrote:how fair is that, eliko? that was in the 1800's. it is now 2007. for a nation that is a mere 200+ years old, we have come much farther than cyprus in there thousands and thousands of years as a "civilized" nation.

How fair is that GorilaGal? You talk about Cyprus which is there thousands and thousands of years as you said...and we didnt come as much as America. We would like to forgive us for being lazy all this years...but you know we had to deal with the conquest of Egyptians at 570BC, Ottoman empire, Byantine empire, Romans, Arabs, England, Turkey...you see we had to build and rebuild and rebuild and rebuild and REBUILD our "civilized nation". But I am sure that your amazing country was so productive that finished everything that they wanted to do in the country and they just couldnt sit there and do nothing so they decided to "help" few other countries...Right???? Did I said anything wrong? Please correct me!!!
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Postby Eliko » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:30 am

GorillaGal, your comments above only serve to qualify my reason for mentioning this particular book, you admit that the 'Whites' took advantage of the natives originally by purchasing land and I am sure we are all aware of the 'handful of beads' negotiating technique.
There can be no question of mis-communication (whatever you perceive that to be) it was plainly thievery.
The subsequent advantages taken by your ancestors were homicidal, the superior weaponry coupled with the ability to attack and slaughter mercilessly, to drive out and starve millions to satisfy their greedy intent, is the true testimony of how your country came to be what it is today.
As to 'slavery', do you consider it to be a great humanitarian move ? is not the concept of slavery wrong in any event ? of course slavery was abolished, the alternative is unthinkable to any sane person.
Segregation, you dealt with the problem ? you HAD to, had you not your country would have been embroiled in bloodshed not seen on the planet since the days of Kubla Khan.
Sorry GG, no points for your contribution this time I'm afraid, ah well, now where is that straw I was grasping.

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