The reasons why we shouldnt stay in EU ?
| EU is bring us wealth and happiness |
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 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:08 pm |
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| Niki |
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Cyprus has already gained from being in the EU through money invested for many new developments. Unlike the UK where as someone put it the rich get richer, the 'rich' that have to pay stupid tax and put up with ridiculous employment laws are paying for the privilege of giving it away to the poorer countries such as Cyprus - so don't knock it.
Cyprus with it's dodgy laws, road safety issues etc needs the regulations that being in the EU should bring. It is a shame all countries begin to lose their identity but there is good with the bad.
Small businesses struggle and house prices get higher but this would happen without the EU and did before the EU.
Cyprus does not have the same restrictions with emploment laws and tax that the UK has. Believe me you do not want to be an employer in the UK now, you also do not want to have the 'politically correct' attitude that is destroying the culture so effectively but this is the fault of the UK government, not the EU.
The fact that Cyprus will have to honour the minimum wage to comply with the EU is a good thing. If the immigration brings about more competition for the good jobs is that bad? |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:22 pm |
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| miltiades |
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In the Cyprus calender , the anniversary of joining the EU will in the very near future herald the brightest celebrations that this nation has ever participated IN , only this celebration will be totaly a Cypriot one unlike the many that reflect events celebrating Greek achievements.
I'm of the opinion that the greatest EVER achievement of our nation was its entry into the EU .
The membership into this Union will bring many changes for the good of the people , in agriculture especially as well as in other industries including the biggest foreign currency earner , that of the Tourist Industry. Political gains will also become more tangible with the passing of time and contrary to the naive thinking from some quarters who shall remain NAMELESS , political polarization takes time. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:59 pm |
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I think it has back fired on them.
but they are still dragging there feet with some issues
It brought them into the modern world and it has been a shock
for a lot of people.
If you want to join the big boys club,
you must play with the big boys rules.. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:40 pm |
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| Niki2410 wrote: |
Cyprus has already gained from being in the EU through money invested for many new developments. Unlike the UK where as someone put it the rich get richer, the 'rich' that have to pay stupid tax and put up with ridiculous employment laws are paying for the privilege of giving it away to the poorer countries such as Cyprus - so don't knock it.
Cyprus with it's dodgy laws, road safety issues etc needs the regulations that being in the EU should bring. It is a shame all countries begin to lose their identity but there is good with the bad.
Small businesses struggle and house prices get higher but this would happen without the EU and did before the EU.
Cyprus does not have the same restrictions with emploment laws and tax that the UK has. Believe me you do not want to be an employer in the UK now, you also do not want to have the 'politically correct' attitude that is destroying the culture so effectively but this is the fault of the UK government, not the EU.
The fact that Cyprus will have to honour the minimum wage to comply with the EU is a good thing. If the immigration brings about more competition for the good jobs is that bad? |
Well said Niki2410, i agree with you 100%,the only other thing is saying a"BIG NO" to the bloody euro,as the only people to gain here are poorer countries and their governments !!!And if it was that good don't you think Britain would have gone for it by now instead of staling at every oppertunity and excuse they can find??????? If Cyprus does stupidly end up with the euro without staling a few years more at least, it will be the governments biggest mistake in history and the blackest day for its people and large/small businesess to loose their identity in the world market place and the famous Cypriot £. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:04 pm |
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| miltiades |
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And it goes without saying that us Brits have , without joining the Euro , retained our sovereignty !!!
The country is full of unwanted undesired bloody immigrants , illegal that is , and gets what . The Home office isn't putting up with this any longer . It is coming down on them like a ton of bricks . Each illegal immigrant will receive , wait for it , a f..ng text on the mobile telling them their time is up !!!
As for keeping the pound , well at the end of the day that is the only bit of sovereignty left in the country along with the Queen , and when He takes over , the defender of all faiths , that's the one with the gorgeous new wife ,
all we will be left with will be the pound and the bloody traffic wardens to remind us that we are in Britain and not in some bloody third world country where razor blades have not yet been discovered. Long live the pound I say and long may the Queen reign . |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:27 pm |
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i have been doing some business in spain and all the leisure places and tourist places curse the euro. all the prices have gone up and people are leaveing there nearly as quick as uk. the rules that come with europe health and safty etc have crippled small business and you must have these certifictes to satisfy who .the real enemy that not one person has mentioned since i joined and they are not even anything todo with europe.they make up all these orders for us like our masters and tell us what to do THE BIG INSURANCE COMPANY 60 percent of all night clubs are insured by austrialian companies and in the work place who insures them .Big companies outside of europe laughing like pixies at all of us  |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:01 am |
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| Niki |
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| miltiades wrote: |
Each illegal immigrant will receive , wait for it , a f..ng text on the mobile telling them their time is up !!!
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Don't you just love it - I'll bet on arrival in the back of the lorries they will all get a free mobile phone with unlimited airtime so they know when they need to leave! And of course they'll pack their bags and go - no problem.
The Euro is debatable. The UK doesn't need it with such a strong economy (from all the bl**dy taxes they take) but I don't know about Cyprus.
Maybe having the infrastructure of this large financial support would be a good thing. Not sure about that one! Until it has happened and things have settled down how can you predict the outcome? The support of the EU like I said has had a positive effect and it will open up the country to foreign investment. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:43 pm |
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Niki2410 or may just call you Niki?
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The Euro is debatable. The UK doesn't need it with such a strong economy (from all the bl**dy taxes they take) but I don't know about Cyprus.
Maybe having the infrastructure of this large financial support would be a good thing. Not sure about that one! Until it has happened and things have settled down how can you predict the outcome? The support of the EU like I said has had a positive effect and it will open up the country to foreign investment. |
The real problem for in joining the Euro a small country like Cyprus is that decisions on interest rates, and increasingly other interferences in businesses, are decided based on the economic needs of the moment of the big boys like Germany and France. Whether or not it works for Cyprus is not a thought that enters the heads of the people who make these decisions.
As to investment, I think whether you are in the Euro or not is a minor consideration. Lots of big investments go to Eastern European countries because they are in the EU and labour & land is cheap even though they are not in the Eurozone. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:21 pm |
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| i have a few questions here, the central eu bank is setting interest rates for all of the euro countries isnt it? and secondly doesnt this mean that if cyprus joins the euro they wont have a fiscal or monetary policy of thier own but they will be a part of one that benefitted the larger countries more? so if the economy speeds up they cant raise interest rate to lower Aggregate Demand and so slow down the economy. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:12 pm |
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| ge0rg10 wrote: |
| i have a few questions here, the central eu bank is setting interest rates for all of the euro countries isnt it? and secondly doesnt this mean that if cyprus joins the euro they wont have a fiscal or monetary policy of thier own but they will be a part of one that benefitted the larger countries more? so if the economy speeds up they cant raise interest rate to lower Aggregate Demand and so slow down the economy. |
I think thats a valid point and I am sure it is a disadvantage. I guess that the single currency is supposed to make trade and tourism between EU countries easier and thats a bigger positive than the negative that you said. |
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