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The reasons why we shouldnt stay in EU ?

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

EU is bring us wealth and happiness

Yes
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46%
No
9
38%
EU is good only for political reasons
4
17%
 
Total votes : 24

Postby souroul » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:09 pm

even if the EU never helps with the cyprob i still believe that its the best thing that happened to cyprus since souvla and halloumi
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Postby souroul » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:15 pm

in addition, the poll should have seperated GC and TC votes because the TCs are more likely to say no for various reasons, and GCs are more likely to say yes... for various reasons aswell
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Postby dancingbear » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:12 am

Miltiades,
Most of your posts in the past I have agreed with, but this one takes the Piss..............................................................In the Cyprus calender , the anniversary of joining the EU will in the very near future herald the brightest celebrations that this nation has ever participated IN , only this celebration will be totaly a Cypriot one unlike the many that reflect events celebrating Greek achievements.
I'm of the opinion that the greatest EVER achievement of our nation was its entry into the EU .
The membership into this Union will bring many changes for the good of the people , in agriculture especially as well as in other industries including the biggest foreign currency earner , that of the Tourist Industry. Political gains will also become more tangible with the passing of time and contrary to the naive thinking from some quarters who shall remain NAMELESS , political polarization takes time.

The EU stinks and it should Fold NOW.

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Postby dancingbear » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:19 am

I'm of the opinion that the greatest EVER achievement of our nation was its entry into the EU
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Surley the greatest EVER achievement for any nation is to be at ONE with itself, and not joined at the Hip with others.

Cyprus joins the Euro, all Euro Laws the same, one Army, One President Cyprus changes name to Greece, Just to please beurocrats in Brussels because there is not that much Differance, Change driving Right hand drive cars to Left hand drive(Sweden many years ago).Its all Bullshit

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Postby humanist » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:33 am

bear, somehow I do believe that once in the EU a country looses its uniqueness. I guess that is progress and evolution. Perhaps we cannot hold onto the Cyprus that was.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:57 am

dancingbear wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the greatest EVER achievement of our nation was its entry into the EU
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Surley the greatest EVER achievement for any nation is to be at ONE with itself, and not joined at the Hip with others.

Cyprus joins the Euro, all Euro Laws the same, one Army, One President Cyprus changes name to Greece, Just to please beurocrats in Brussels because there is not that much Differance, Change driving Right hand drive cars to Left hand drive(Sweden many years ago).Its all Bullshit

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DB , You are familiar with my views I'm certain of that. The EU is the most successful union of nations in the history of this planet eclipsing by far the Roman Empire or any other empire that grew out of occupation rather than negotiation. Many in the UK , including my son , are against the EU and particularly the Euro . I disagree and have always been a strong supporter of a strong EU , an entity powerful enough and rich enough to counter the growth of China , India and the USA too.
Europe has had two major wars in the last 100 years . No more European conflict is predicted by even the most pessimistic doom prophets.
Britain , and the British people are being told that joining Europe has meant a certain amount of our sovereignty has been lost , and I say , which part of our sovereignty has been lost. Sovereignty over our schools , our traditional celebration festivals , our undeniable right to be critical of other religions and cultures ?? We have lost nothing to Europe , England is England and shall remain so because of Europe . Some sovereignty has declined but for the incompetence of our political system over years and years of multicultural nonsense.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:23 am

I know of several small businesses in Cyprus which have faced closure, (some even closed) due to the severe restrictions placed on them in order to come into line with EU regulations.

It may well be that ultimately it will create an improvement to general living standards, it is the cost of such improvements that concern most small businesses, forcing them to jack up their prices. :roll:
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Postby Kristianikos » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:04 pm

Not to sound rude.. but when i went to cyprus last september i did notice alot of eastern european workers and russians..
Even as we traveled to our hotel the taxi driver told us that Cyprus no longer feels safe... his exact words 'before we joined the EU you could leave £5000 in your car, and no one would take it, now you cannot leave anything in your car..'

Wouldn't Cyprus be better without all these new immigrants ??? :?:
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Postby dancingbear » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:16 pm

miltiades,
Nothing wrong with Europe for trade, however I do draw the line at the unelected beurocrats making laws and treatys that have not been voted on by the People, Am I German,French,Belgian etc am I bloody hell's like I'm British/English who when moves out to Cyprus will then undertake to follow the Laws and customs of Cyprus not the E.U

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Postby miltiades » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:39 pm

dancingbear wrote:miltiades,
Nothing wrong with Europe for trade, however I do draw the line at the unelected beurocrats making laws and treatys that have not been voted on by the People, Am I German,French,Belgian etc am I bloody hell's like I'm British/English who when moves out to Cyprus will then undertake to follow the Laws and customs of Cyprus not the E.U

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People are very rarely asked to vote on particular acts and are never consulted when it comes to almost 100% of new laws be it to do with taxes , immigration , traffic concepts such as the Congestion charge for London. It is a fallacy to beleive that our "sovereignty " will be or has been reduced as a result of European treaties that we have to abide by. I'm certain that Brittain would have fared reasonably well out of Europe but I wonder if our present levels of trading with Europe would be as high as they are today. A search on Google will reveal many interesting articles .
As far Cyprus is concerned I'm convinced beyond doubt that it has been the greatest step ever for the island. Politically economically and socially , we can not insist that when all around us nations are developing at an appreciable level we must remain at the levels when my grandfather was
producing and selling Zivania , Wine Halloumi etc with out any controls what so ever to oversee the production methods for products destined for public consumption. I'm certain that you feel safer now that buying locally produced wines , spirits , food are produced under EU stringent controls.
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