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Re: Do People in Dispora have the right to tell us we are wr

Postby Kikapu » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:43 pm

skipper wrote:[

Kikapu, I can confidently say there are probably more right wing Denktas supporters in London then there are in the whole of cyprus. I was in London when Annan Plan version 1 came out and TC's there were up in arms as it was giving away to many concessions, infact members of the right wing UBP party who were in power where going to London trying and get their message against the AP for families to influence relatives back in Cyprus.

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Huge difference between AP1 and AP5 don't you think. :?: :?:

While we are on the subject of Dektash, let me tell you what I think was the reason why he was kicked out, way before the AP referendum.

Dektash was the "negative face" towards the GC's, so Turkey knew, that if Dektash was not replaced by Talat, a supposed Unification leader, the AP referendum would have failed by larger margin than it actually did by the GC's. It was all show, to get the GC's to believe, that a "hardliner" was gone, and replaced with a "dove". It seems, in the end, it really did not matter, who was the leader, because Turkey was still there.
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Postby skipper » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:47 pm

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You mean like the liberation of Istanbul, sorry I forgot Constantinopole or infact we should consider the liberation of the whole of Anatolia, not Turkified at all. Do you really believe what you are actually writing?


Yes theif we do. The north of Cyprus is not going to be yet another permanently Turkish invaded and Greek ethnically cleansed land. We will not allow it - by all means possible .


Nice, so I am a thief now but if thats your only way of replying to a stated historical fact then so be it you've shown your maturity.
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Postby iceman » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
You mean GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T) ???

Surely you're not hiding behind Turkish skirt?


Turks dont wear skirts idiot...Kalamaras do..
I know you have experience hiding behind skirts...you did that back in 1967 :wink:
Dont you like my idea? why do you ask if its GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T)??
We took you on with home made weapons and shotguns when it was necessary,why not now? and we did not complain being out numbered 5 to 1 (not counting the Greek army you imported)
whats the problem now? you want equality? what goes around comes around my friend :D
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Re: Do People in Dispora have the right to tell us we are wr

Postby skipper » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:11 pm

Kikapu wrote:
skipper wrote:[

Kikapu, I can confidently say there are probably more right wing Denktas supporters in London then there are in the whole of cyprus. I was in London when Annan Plan version 1 came out and TC's there were up in arms as it was giving away to many concessions, infact members of the right wing UBP party who were in power where going to London trying and get their message against the AP for families to influence relatives back in Cyprus.

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Huge difference between AP1 and AP5 don't you think. :?: :?:


Not really, the philosophy of them are same in fact from what I've read here GC's regard version 1 to be much more acceptable then version 5.

While we are on the subject of Dektash, let me tell you what I think was the reason why he was kicked out, way before the AP referendum.

Dektash was the "negative face" towards the GC's, so Turkey knew, that if Dektash was not replaced by Talat, a supposed Unification leader, the AP referendum would have failed by larger margin than it actually did by the GC's. It was all show, to get the GC's to believe, that a "hardliner" was gone, and replaced with a "dove". It seems, in the end, it really did not matter, who was the leader, because Turkey was still there.


It's a nice conspiracy theory but people got fed up with Denktas as it became clearer and clearer that he was only after power to line his own pockets and that a non solution suited him. For example, it's said that 30,000 donums of land has been given to him! no one believes he his family had that much land.. Second example, for years he said anyone caught obtaining a RoC passport would be put in prison and then what happens after the gates open? he tells his grandchildren that it's their "right" to get one just so that they could save a few thousand pounds in university fees, that one was a big shock to alot of people. I could go on, but trust me alot of people here would love to see him tried and even hanged.

Talat atleast cares about the TC's he never went around saying it does n't matter if a TC leaves the island it's not a problem as another one comes from Turkey. I personally cant understand why people honestly think that Talat would act the same once he gained power, no one acts the same once the attain power even in a normal country let alone with the situation here.. Even AKEL when the got in power changed their tune, I think it was simply the equation where the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

People moan about the influence of Turkey, of course they have an influence and I can tell you is not due to the army but due to the fact that alot of peoples paychecks come from money sent by Turkey and until it comes to the point where the TC's dont need millions of dollars in aid ever year it will always the be the case as money always buys influence but it seems that the GC's in general would rather keep the TC's dependant on Turkey and try and fight them directly then let the TC's stand up on their own two feet.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:44 pm

skipper wrote:What are you on about? We don't want anything from you, I'm just pointing out that nearly all economic growth you have attained has been due to the fact that you maintain the RoC from 1960, you then twisted that to some kind of demand from you for something, which is just a typical stereotype of TC's by GC's.


We “maintain” the RoC? What do you think the RoC is a fun park? The RoC are the PEOPLE who managed to overcome a full-blown military invasion by picking up the peaces and rebuilding from scratch. It’s their hard work and business astuteness that enabled them to prosper and not some statute written in those god-forsaken 1960s agreements forced upon them that “guaranteed” prosperity!

You're harping on about how due to your now increased economic position


The “now” increased economic position? It didn’t take the RoC very long to pick up the peaces and rebuild my good man and it’s not by any accident as I explained above. The TCs have sniffed the mighty Cyprus pound and want to climb on the bandwagon which we built and on top of that they want to make the rules! Well fancy that!

..it should some how negate the political powersharing because we "dont deserve it", we've never asked for a slice of your cake infact we've wanted to make our own cake larger but you've done everything you can to make sure that does n't happen.


Oh please don’t bring up the “embargo” because I’ll need a barf bag! The two tons of tomatoes and three tons of cucumbers you produce get gobbled up by the Warfies at the nearest Turkish port! Not only do they buy ALL your produce but they also give you handouts! What have you got to export?...mountain-range flag building???

It's the GC that want everything 100% unified but then go moan that under that unification we'ill get more than we deserve, dont you see the contradiction here? You then go on to say if TC's become economically more prosperous they won't want unification so its a complete no win senario.


The RoC is entitled to all its territory whether you like or not because the UN says so…

RESOLUTION 3212 (XXIX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UN ... d3212.html

Repeated again a year later…

RESOLUTION 3395 (XXX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UN ... d3395.html

…and repeated again for many years thereafter which I won't quote.

As I said, you should count your blessings you get a crack at assimilation because in all honesty beggars can’t be choosers!
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Postby free_cyprus » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:47 pm

girls stop arguing lol
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:59 pm

iceman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
You mean GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T) ???
Surely you're not hiding behind Turkish skirt?


Turks dont wear skirts idiot...Kalamaras do..
I know you have experience hiding behind skirts...you did that back in 1967 :wink: Dont you like my idea? why do you ask if its GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T)??
We took you on with home made weapons and shotguns when it was necessary,why not now? and we did not complain being out numbered 5 to 1 (not counting the Greek army you imported)
whats the problem now? you want equality? what goes around comes around my friend :D


If you mean GC vs TC then you are either very brave or very foolish.
Forget the Cyprus of the 60's. The RoC today has the technology to strike deep into Turkish soil and devastate cities... you'd better believe it.
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Postby iceman » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:03 pm

Get Real! wrote:
iceman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
You mean GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T) ???
Surely you're not hiding behind Turkish skirt?


Turks dont wear skirts idiot...Kalamaras do..
I know you have experience hiding behind skirts...you did that back in 1967 :wink: Dont you like my idea? why do you ask if its GC vs TC or GC vs (TC + T)??
We took you on with home made weapons and shotguns when it was necessary,why not now? and we did not complain being out numbered 5 to 1 (not counting the Greek army you imported)
whats the problem now? you want equality? what goes around comes around my friend :D


If you mean GC vs TC then you are either very brave or very foolish.
Forget the Cyprus of the 60's. The RoC today has the technology to strike deep into Turkish soil and devastate cities... you'd better believe it.



You couldn't even strike your own dick :D :D
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Re: Do People in Dispora have the right to tell us we are wr

Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:07 pm

skipper wrote:People moan about the influence of Turkey, of course they have an influence and I can tell you is not due to the army but due to the fact that alot of peoples paychecks come from money sent by Turkey and until it comes to the point where the TC's dont need millions of dollars in aid ever year it will always the be the case as money always buys influence but it seems that the GC's in general would rather keep the TC's dependant on Turkey and try and fight them directly then let the TC's stand up on their own two feet.


You've pretty much encapsulated the problem right here. You ain't got shoes on your feet yet you want to claim "power" because Turkey says you can! Wake up!
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:10 pm

iceman wrote:You couldn't even strike your own dick :D :D


Ignorance is bliss...
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