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An Inter-communal Survey of Public Opinion by UNFICYP

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:12 am

Oh come one Simon, its not like you actually like us or anything, you just want your properties back and to dominate the entire island again, no one really gives a shit about us...


This is not about "liking". The how much you like somebody is your personal choice. However what you are obligated to give is respect to the rights of others, and what you can demand is also you rights.

As I said before respect is what comes first. Without respect there can be no trust or friendship. You can not have as a friend and like somebody that doesn't even respect your basic human rights.

So the first step is to do what we are obligated to do and give respect to the rights of each other. Trust and friendships will follow.

For me the most interesting question, that confirms something I felt as well, was this one:

"As a result of crossing the checkpoints, would you say that your opinion of people from the other side has changed?"

Almost half of the GCs answered that their opinion for the TCs has worsened since the opening of the gates. I beleive that this is because at schools and in our society in general what GCs are taught is that "Turks are the enemy, TCs are our compatriots" While the gates were closed we were thinking that TCs were not allowed to voice their opposition to the occupation and that Denctash was some sort of bad dictator that was getting elected with the votes of the settlers. After the opening of the gates many GCs realized that TCs actually support the occupation and all the other actions of Turkey in Cyprus, which was something very disappointing to most of them.
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:12 am

Actually dude I am a Peloponnesian so I need to see nothing. I am not a refugee from a Turkish invasion pretending the local Turks who formed paramilitaries and supported this invasion of Cyprus are my brothers.

So maybe you should see reality and historical truth. And who is your friend and who is your enemy.
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Postby free_cyprus » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:14 am

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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:24 am

shahmaran wrote:xaxaxaxaxa! :twisted:


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Will you go to bed and stop following my post...Jesus...are you in love with me or what?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

@ askimwos

Thanks for the survey that is really interesting survey! I saved a copy in my pc!
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:28 am

LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:xaxaxaxaxa! :twisted:


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Will you go to bed and stop following my post...Jesus...are you in love with me or what?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)



You wish lady!! :roll:
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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:51 am

shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:xaxaxaxaxa! :twisted:


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Will you go to bed and stop following my post...Jesus...are you in love with me or what?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)



You wish lady!! :roll:


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yea right ... what ever you say!!

But I was more hopping that if I kiss you you might turn to be a prince...well now I will never know!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
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I am telling you go to bed...you start dreaming awake now!
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Postby Simon » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:05 am

It is not about 'selling us out' Lena, but the reality on the ground. Almost every Poll I read indicates that the majority of TCs prefer a two-state solution; and they will only entertain a BBF if it is more like a confederation (i.e. Annan Plan). What is the point in that? GCs have already rejected this. If you are going to have a confederation; i.e. Greek Cypriot state and Turkish Cypriot state with a weak central government; you might as well just go the whole way and have partition, which is what it will end up as anyway.

I guess what I am saying, is that it is about time we woke up to the reality. TCs do not want the kind of reunification we do. So where from here? Well I believe we have 4 options:

1) Wait endlessly for the 'balance of power' to change and take our land back by force.

2) Wait endlessly for TCs to change their minds and decide they want to live in a united Cyprus after all (don't hold your breath). If, while waiting, the 'TRNC' is recognised, hope for any compromise is gone for good.

3) Accept an Annan-style Plan.

4) Accept formal partition, with TCs making territorial concessions.

TCs have made it clear (along with the settlers of course) that they will not accept reunification that goes beyond that of the Annan Plan. So when are GCs going to wake up to the fact that they are trying to re-marry a partner that divorced us and has no intention of returning? Therefore, I simply ask (and I am not saying this is my preferred option by any means, but simply responding to the reality on the ground) that is our best hope, to try to negotiate as much land back as possible, and as much compensation as possible for our displaced persons?
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:11 am

You will never get compensation. After the Istanbul pogroms of 1955:

Turkey reduced damage assessments from 1.05 billion Turkish liras to less than 60 million Turkish liras an amount which was still further reduced from the procedures of the Istanbul Aid Comittee and tax commissions from which no appeal was allowed.

Vryonis, Speros. The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom Of September 6-7, 1955, And The Destruction Of The Greek Community Of Istanbul. Greekworks.com (New York; 2005) p. 551-555
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Postby Simon » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:16 am

Well that depends. If Turkey is that desperate to solve the dispute and enter the EU, she will pay trust me.
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:25 am

TUrkey will not pay.

When a non-muslim people are conquered they enter the dhimma contract. They are allowed to exist as long as they respect muslim rule, their inferior status and do not try to change this status. When they break the dhimma muslims feel it is just just to wage jihad against them again, but massacre them.

So Turks will never think invading Cyprus was wrong or recognize anything. They do not really respect international law or human rights. They will only pay a symbolic and small sum if anything. They will never express true remorse.
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