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[brother]

Second Turkish-speaking group faces defeat in Greece
AFP: 1/31/2005

ATHENS, Jan 31 (AFP) - Greece's Supreme Court is expected to deny a licence to a women's group in northeastern Greece because it wants to describe itself as Turkish, a court source said Monday.

It is the second Supreme Court case in a month in which a group from northeastern Greece's 100,000-strong Turkish-speaking Muslim community has sought to describe itself in ethnic rather than religious terms.

The court is likely to follow the recommendation of the public prosecutor in Greece's highest civilian court Dimitris Kyritsakis and rule against the proposed Cultural Association of Turkish Women of Rodopi Prefecture.

Press reports said several similar requests were in the Greek court system, threatening to strain already fragile relations between rivals Greece and Turkey, both members of NATO.

Earlier this month the Supreme Court upheld a 1984 ban on the Turkish Union of Xanthi, arguing that the Treaty of Lausanne ending the 1919-22 war between Greece and Turkey defines the community as Muslim, not as ethnically Turkish.

The 1923 treaty established modern Turkey and still governs a large part of the two neighbours' borders and relations.

Under the treaty the two countries carried out a sweeping exchange of populations, while exempting the Turkish-speaking Thrace minority and the Greek Orthodox population of Istanbul.

Some 1,200 Greek Orthodox remain in Istanbul, compared with 110,000 four decades ago, according to Turkish reports published Sunday.

Some 13 Greek Muslim groups said they would appeal the Supreme Court's decision against the Turkish Union of Xanthi at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

[brother]

The champions of human rights show their humanity by denying people the simple right to call themselves Turkish.

Sounds like piratis, human rights when it suits them and only them.

[uzan]

The champions of human rights show their humanity by denying people the simple right to call themselves Turkish.

Sounds like piratis, human rights when it suits them and only them.

yes my brother,you are right just like PIRATIS.If it is suits them human rights if it is not

[-mikkie2-]

Well at least they aren't being kicked out of Greece unlike what our Turkish 'brothers' did to the Greeks of Turkey! How many Greeks live in Turkey now?

I would say that the matter is down to interpretations. The Turks for example say that all its citizens are Turkish for the same reason - the Lussanne Treaty which Turkey conveniently chooses to ignore provisions of this treaty that are against her interests and promotes provisions that support her interests.

[uzan]

Well at least they aren't being kicked out of Greece unlike what our Turkish 'brothers' did to the Greeks of Turkey! How many Greeks live in Turkher interests.

NO one kicked out of TURKEY you should visit THE TURKEY and you can see how they lived there.But greek try very hard to kick out the TURKS, but they hit the rock.

[-mikkie2-]

NO one kicked out of TURKEY you should visit THE TURKEY and you can see how they lived there.But greek try very hard to kick out the TURKS, but they hit the rock.

So you are saying that the Greeks just merilly decided to leave Istanbul over the years out of choice! The fact that the Turkish establishment discriminated against the Greeks, closed down their institutions and terrorised them has absolutely nothing to do with it at all then.

The fact remains that the Turkish community in Greece has prospered whilst the Greek community in Turkey has shrunk to a tiny fraction of what it was. I guess the numbers speak for themselves.

[metecyp]

Well at least they aren't being kicked out of Greece unlike what our Turkish 'brothers' did to the Greeks of Turkey! How many Greeks live in Turkey now?

Mikkie, you're a champion in giving excuses, as we discussed before....

[-mikkie2-]

I am not giving excuses. As far as I am concerned, good luck to those people. To go around crying about the 'plight' of the Turkish minority in Greece is just plain double standards I'm afraid. The Turks should sort out their back yard first before complaining about the back yard of others.

[magikthrill]

I'm sorry but when a TC who supports the illegal occupation of CYprus, caused by the deaths of hundres of people and displacement of thousands more, uses the words "human rights" its like listening to Bin Laden use the word "peace"

You obviously know nothing of human rights so it means nothing when you say it.

[Piratis]

I'm sorry but when a TC who supports the illegal occupation of CYprus, caused by the deaths of hundres of people and displacement of thousands more, uses the words "human rights" its like listening to Bin Laden use the word "peace"

I agree with this.

They complain about names while at the same time they keep stolen properties and the violate the basic human rights of thousands of people.

Turkey doesn't allow people to even talk their own language, they have committed several genocides in an attempt to ethnically cleanse Turkey, and then they complain about .. names!!

If a person from lets say Sweden would complain about the above incident then I would understand his point. But how can Turks and TCs complain about human rights when at the same time they massively violate human rights and they declare that they will not allow for a solution without derogations from our human rights?