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[Get Real!]

I am sorry guys but this is utter rubbish.

Were you there Zan?

Where?? Planet earth ????

Did you live in the northern captured territory of Cyprus during the first couple of years say immediately after the Turkish invasion?

[zan]

I am sorry guys but this is utter rubbish.

Were you there Zan?

Where?? Planet earth ????

Did you live in the northern captured territory of Cyprus during the first couple of years say immediately after the Turkish invasion?

I am a TC with many many relatives in Cyprus that we sent money clothes and other goods to........How distant do you think we were GR???? One grandmother died in a one room mud and shit built so called house and my other grandmother died in an expensive but rubbish hospital after having both her legs amputated. We sent money to pay rubbish nurses in a rubbish hospital in the eighties. Were the hell was all our riches that we were supposed to have made from all this land. My father has umteen brothers and sisters living there and my mother has three sisters and a brother and hey could not afford to pay for either of them so where is all this money then. We have over 40 Donums of land in the border that is being used by the Red Arrows and the UN and we have to scrimp and save to have my nan looked after and a prat comes along and makes a statement and you guys jump on the band wagon without even knowing what the hell you are talking about. Give me some idea as to where all this money is mate cause not a single member of my vast family have had a cut in it and they live all over the TRNC/KKTC.

[Get Real!]

I am sorry guys but this is utter rubbish.

Were you there Zan?

Where?? Planet earth ????

Did you live in the northern captured territory of Cyprus during the first couple of years say immediately after the Turkish invasion?

I am a TC with many many relatives in Cyprus that we sent money clothes and other goods to........How distant do you think we were GR???? One grandmother died in a one room mud and shit built so called house and my other grandmother died in an expensive but rubbish hospital after having both her legs amputated. We sent money to pay rubbish nurses in a rubbish hospital in the eighties. Were the hell was all our riches that we were supposed to have made from all this land. My father has umteen brothers and sisters living there and my mother has three sisters and a brother and hey could not afford to pay for either of them so where is all this money then. We have over 40 Donums of land in the border that is being used by the Red Arrows and the UN and we have to scrimp and save to have my nan looked after and a prat comes along and makes a statement and you guys jump on the band wagon without even knowing what the hell you are talking about. Give me some idea as to where all this money is mate cause not a single member of my vast family have had a cut in it and they live all over the TRNC/KKTC.

That must be the longest "NO" I have ever come across! Thank you Zan.

Your relative's financial situation in the eighties is expected to have been bad as explained in my post which you seemingly haven't carefully read.

[zan]

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

What this one? People living in tents and caves that are starving and being eaten by lice are given somewhere to live and then told that it is temporary and that they have to apply for land that in exchange for what they lost in the south even then that may be temporary if a solution is found.They must have been jumping for joy at the finality of it all.

[Get Real!]

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

What this one? People living in tents and caves that are starving and being eaten by lice are given somewhere to live and then told that it is temporary and that they have to apply for land that in exchange for what they lost in the south even then that may be temporary if a solution is found.They must have been jumping for joy at the finality of it all.

How about we allow those that were there tell us what happened Zan?

[zan]

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

What this one? People living in tents and caves that are starving and being eaten by lice are given somewhere to live and then told that it is temporary and that they have to apply for land that in exchange for what they lost in the south even then that may be temporary if a solution is found.They must have been jumping for joy at the finality of it all.

How about we allow those that were there tell us what happened Zan?

I have no problem with that but why are you so eager to dismiss my account?

[Get Real!]

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

What this one? People living in tents and caves that are starving and being eaten by lice are given somewhere to live and then told that it is temporary and that they have to apply for land that in exchange for what they lost in the south even then that may be temporary if a solution is found.They must have been jumping for joy at the finality of it all.

How about we allow those that were there tell us what happened Zan?

I have no problem with that but why are you so eager to dismiss my account?

With all due respect to you Zan but on this particular topic I'd prefer to hear eyewitness accounts.

[zan]

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

What this one? People living in tents and caves that are starving and being eaten by lice are given somewhere to live and then told that it is temporary and that they have to apply for land that in exchange for what they lost in the south even then that may be temporary if a solution is found.They must have been jumping for joy at the finality of it all.

How about we allow those that were there tell us what happened Zan?

I have no problem with that but why are you so eager to dismiss my account?

With all due respect to you Zan but on this particular topic I'd prefer to hear eyewitness accounts.

No problem. I will go back to writting childrens stories about my fictional family that have lived there and are still living there......

[74LB]

Fair enough, how about this from first hand experience of the initial weeks after July 74……………our whole village (Karakol – just north of Gazi Magusa), and two other communities nearby (Sakarya & Baykal) all had to escape to inside the walls of Gazi Magusa and we were holed up there for the best part of nearly 2 months – I think it was Sept when we were finally allowed to go home.

What we went home to was houses that had been vandalised, ransacked, anything worthwhile was either looted, smashed or broken, doors and windows removed or kicked in, even the bloody electricity switches and sockets were taken from our house. There was unimaginable filth and devastation everywhere, and excrement in almost every room (what was wrong with using the toilet for God’s sake ?). Now you tell me how you would feel. This was our home, and every family had similar tales to tell.

So when Get Real talks of “I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities” you tell me what was taking place when we left our homes between the 20th July and 16th August (freedom day for Gazi Magusa). Was this not a frenzy of ransacking and looting ? Or was it just a stroll in the park for the GC’s to help themselves ?
I guess the thought must have gone something like “well, the TC’s are within the walls and there’s no way they are going to get out’ so let’s have a free for all ?” Am I right or am I wrong ? I guess it never occurred in their wildest dreams that the Turkish forces would come to our aid one day ?

And when DT says “I would however love to listen to someone with the experience those days as GR says of what happened when everyone started getting free homes and other people's possessions handed out”


And Pyrpolizer who says “It was more than obvious, that for the TCs all their problems have been solved, they became rich from the Gc properties from one day to another “

you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried – I really don’t know where you get this idea from. If there were free homes and possessions going, then I don’t know of anyone in our village or family who managed to bag one of these. Our time was spent trying to rebuild our lives, which we did.

And to tell you the truth, in the years that followed not many mentioned reunification because in our view, the TC’s were for once, free.
Free to roam the countryside, free to roam the mountains, free to go to the seaside, free in the knowledge that they would all return home safe and sound. This was definitely not the case prior to July 1974.

Zan is correct when he says that people were cautious about GC property and these were under the authorities control from day 1 - it was not a case of giving out sweets from a jamboree bag on a first come first serve basis.

Having said all that, we were grateful that we were not refugees, and I am not belittling what every refugee has had to go through since the troubles started.

Hope this helps you to understand a little of what went on from my own first hand experience.

[zan]

Thank you '74londonboy. Perhaps that IS what GR meant by looting....