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[Agios Amvrosios]

I hope for a solution whereby restitution of my family's property in Agios Amvrosios (Esentepe) is restored and we are given full democratic rights as any other citizen. I have been informed by some that this view is extreme.

Do all TC consider my prefered solution extreme? Because That is the only solution we will vote for.

Please explain why you think we should vote for anything else?

I just cannot understand or accept why my family can be expected to just hand everything over like that. It makes me sick that the world can work like that. Agios Amvrosios is where all my ancestors lived and where my grandparents are buried.( Although their tombs have been desecrated).

You cannot honestly say that if you were me would you vote for any Plan which did not deliver restitution.

[magikthrill]

No I dont think your particular idea (in this thread) is extreme or unfair. And I don't think that TCs necessarily disagree with this because even if this happens it does not have to violate the rights that they are demanding.

[PEACE]

I hope for a solution whereby restitution of my family's property in Agios Amvrosios (Esentepe) is restored and we are given full democratic rights as any other citizen. I have been informed by some that this view is extreme.

Yes,according to Annan Plan a group will have these.But other group will take compensation instead.

Demanding unlimited returning,unlimited political rights for whole Gcs is extreme for me.I don't know others.

I can accept everthing if it is quaranteed that Gcs won't gain dominance in Turkish Cypriot State and won't deprive of our rights.As a summary if political equality and bi-zonality won't be harmed.

[magikthrill]

Yes,according to Annan Plan a group will have these.But other group will take compensation instead.

Demanding unlimited returning,unlimited political rights for whole Gcs is extreme for me.I don't know others.

I can accept everthing if it is quaranteed that Gcs won't gain dominance in Turkish Cypriot State and won't deprive of our rights.As a summary if political equality and bi-zonality won't be harmed.

so what you basically want is your own state that will be legally recognized and that will be receiving the EUs money and limits the amount of residents that are allowed to move into it.

See that is what I find extreme, where is exterme for you is allowing somebody their human rights.

[erolz]

so what you basically want is your own state that will be legally recognized and that will be receiving the EUs money and limits the amount of residents that are allowed to move into it.

See that is what I find extreme, where is exterme for you is allowing somebody their human rights.

How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what peace has written???
As I see it what he is saying is that demands for unlimted exercise of GC rights without any consideration for TC rights (or even rights for settlers) is extreme. He explicitly says that if TC rights are protected then he could consider all of the above but not if they are not.

Let me remind you of what peace actualy said.

I can accept everthing if it is quaranteed that Gcs won't gain dominance in Turkish Cypriot State and won't deprive of our rights.As a summary if political equality and bi-zonality won't be harmed.

That is your idea of extreme? Yet a demand for full unhindered execrise of GC rights without any consideration of TC rights is not extreme?

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[magikthrill]

first of all,

i was commenting mostly on his statement that allowing all refugees to return (a basic human right) is extreme.

secondly, when he goes on to he does not want GC dominance I naturally assumed (from his previosu ridiculous statement) that he was in favor of restricting all citizens rights to settle within their country.

And I never demanded "full unhindered exercise of GCs rights w/out any consideratoin of TCs rights"

[Agios Amvrosios]

Agios Amvrosios( Esentepe) is in Kyrenia. That is to say that my family would have been prevented from returning to their home and properties under the now dead Annan Plan.

Peace & Erolz, so are you saying that My family's return to their home and the right to partake in democratic functions just like any other European citizen is automatically a breach of TC rights?Please explain this using genuine legal authority.

Is bizonality a indeed a "right" affirmed anywhere in International Law?Isn't it just a now dead and rejected plan or proposal?

I want a pro Annan Plan TC to explain to me "Why they think I should have voted for "Yes" for the abovementioned result?"

Please try to convince me.

[PEACE]

erolz understand clearly what i wanted to say.Sometimes i think if it is needed to be a TC to understand what i write. You want to understand different so you understand different things that i never told.

Both restricting all citizens rights to settle and allowing all refugees to return are extreme for me.We are in the same situation and you are not the only refugees that won't be able to return their properties.(I'm talking returning as whole).Some TC refugees won't be able to return back and some GC refugees won't be able to return back too.Please read bold words as stressed.

If property is the most important thing,i can accept whole to return but in that time there should be political restrictions.OK?

Is bizonality a indeed a "right" affirmed anywhere in International Law?Isn't it just a now dead and rejected plan or proposal?

No,my friend.Bi-zonal,bi-communal federal solution is what both sides accepted in 1977-1979 Summit Agreements.

[magikthrill]

Some TC refugees won't be able to return back and some

why? who's stopping them?

[brother]

My family has land that is in a very prominant position and for the last 30 years have been and are currently being used by gc who have built very large business on the land.

We spoke to both of them recently and they told us that they would never leave our land and it was upto the goverment of the ROC to compensate us, i asked why they would not leave and they told me that they had spent 30 years building these very profitable business and it was the finest location and they would not want to give back the original owner his property back as they now see it as theirs.