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[kurupetos]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

[Bananiot]

Love cyprus, you have the National Front in the UK we have our bigots here. I think you will do well to visit the whole of Cyprus. There are some beautiful places in the north and hopefully one day Cyprus will be one country, as soon as the bigots are defeated, on both sides of the divide.

[T_C]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots?

TCs didn't take nothing with them so I think you should verify your sources or show us these pictures you're talking about. TCs were also forced to live like animals by your leader and because of EOKA! The TCs were living in TENTS and under the very same embargo.

Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

HA HA!

Please don't give me a lecture about the 1960 constitution....because I don't remember the GCs EVER wanting to or actually obeying it.

[halil]

Halil,

All those authorities you claim are illegal but even if they were legal the TC land in the "TRNC" is only 16.7%. Do you think that the "TRNC" utilizes only that percentage? I don't think so.

Physical seperation began before 1974 see report of Secretary – General to security council on U.N’s operation in Cyprus (s/5950, paras,29-30) (10 September 1964) describing the concentrated in Nicosia and its northern suberbs , a narrow Strip astride the road from these suburbs (Photta,Pilleri, Kirini, agırdag,Komurcu,Bogaz, ) to Kyrenia, the town of Louroujinia,the Lefke region and 2 beachesheads of Kokina and Limnities; report of secretay-general on recent developments in Cyprus (S/6569 and Add .1 and 2 ) (19 July 1965) gescribing a reference made by Mr Clerides.
From 1964 onwards the 2 communities developed increasingly seperate political and economic administration and settelments , a process which culminated in 1975 with the complete regrouping of the 2 communities in Cyprus into 2 geographically and administratively seperate areas , a situation which is reflected in the ‘Exchange of population Agreement’ of 2 August 1975 . This fundamental condition was recognized in 1974 by foreign ministers of Britain, Greece and Turkey in their Geneva decleration of 30 July in which they jointly called for ‘the reestablishment of constitutional goverment in Cyprus’ and ‘an immediate return to constitutional legitimacy ‘İn doing so.
The ministers noted the excistence in practice on the ‘ROC’ of 2 autonomous adminstrations.

The ‘ROC’ being no longer constitutionally or factually able to exercise sovereignty over the whole island was divided and thereafter reverted to the authority actually in control of each of the 2 territories.Greek Cypriot Community in the South and Turkish Cypriot Community in the North.

[halil]

The argument about the airport does not wash for me, you invited Turkey to invade our country, we needed an aiport we built one. We do not each and everyday seel your homes and land that is the difference, If a solution is found you wil be reimbursed for the lasd you lost for the aiport. And you willbe able to use the airport to access the EU and other nations around the globe.

It doesn't wash? Why? Because it does not suit the arguement? In one hand you can not say do not use "stolen Greek" propertyin the north yet it is ok to get off a plane which is built on "stolen Turkish Cypriot". If you use the arguement that we needed an airport so we built one what about the Turkish Cypriots who sold the land they got in the North because they needed to. It is the same thing. I cant say i agree with the wholesaling of GC property in the north but also I am not too quick to be judgemental about the reasons why they have done.

Anyway tourist are fed up hearing about the Cyprob. After all these years it is as far away from a solution as it ever was. Why don't you allow tourists to see all of Cyprus and enjoy it instead of filling the air with hatred. The figures for tourism for the whole of Cyprus is down you should embrace tourists with traditional Cypriot hospitality which is lacking on both sides of the green line.

thanks mate,u wrote down how i feel to say,

[denizaksulu]

What a horrible reply, you are obviously Cypriot, I thought all Cypriot people were nice, obviously not. if i'd known I would receive a reply like that then I wouldnt have bothered asking questions on this forum.

We have been going to Cyprus (South) for the past 14 years, yes we do know the full story, but would like to see for ourselves just what the North is like.

No we shall not have a horrible time, and I will write a message on this forum to let you know.

Some posts you can ignore. Have a nice time on the whole island
Regards
DA

[denizaksulu]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

No, you are wrong. Not all TCs took all their belogings. They took all they needed, but like GCs in '74, had hoped to return to their homes.

Regards
DA

[EPSILON]

[quote="turkish_cypriot

HA HA!

Please don't give me a lecture about the 1960 constitution....because I don't remember the GCs EVER wanting to or actually obeying it. [/quote]

Ok clever: take your Turkish Cypriot "passport" and try to travel in any country exempt Turkey- then maybe you arealise what we are speaking about. Can you understand that you are staying in a state named "NOBODY" , A pirates state ? and your "presdident in line with international lasw is the representative of pirates in Mediterranean sea?

[humanist]

stuballstu

I am able to see your point of you. Agree to unification and you can have your land for the aiport, see that difference I can offer it to you. What I am saying in a unified country it shouldn't matter, you will have use of the aiport. A governement inquission to build a public utility. I cannot see why cause the government of your country to demolsih a public utility for one or two people's benefit, but if theowners do want it back sure give it back I say. Same goes for the occupied areas, if my home was taken to build ercan aiport sure keep it give me some reimbursement and keep it, but this is how petty we all are. Cyprus is so smal it probaly would not require three aiport but I bet you want one too. Okay keep it. Think however what your answer will be if wanted my land back. The same goes if you built a hospital reimburse the owner and keep it. It is different from exploiting the land by individuals from other individuals, that is all I am saying. There is the difference. I appreciate you may not agree with me what I would kindly ask you to do is at least try and understand me. I would be happy to offer clarification.

[Roomy]

Lovecyprus.
I wonder if you had posted that you have visited Northern Cyprus for 14 years and were going to the South for the first time you would have had the same response?Take no notice of the likes of pantheon, strengthen your resolve and holiday when and where you wish, don't let the odd moron spoil it for you.