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[insan]

Ain't it obvious that one of them is me, mikkie?

I just want to hide my online-status, that's all.

[Viewpoint]

If MicAtCyp doesnt want to abide by the rules of the forum then hes surely free to leave, dont beg him to stay, he obviously doesnt feel comfortable expressing his views in an orderly and civil manner.

Bye bye MicAtCyp

Well done Admin

[Piratis]

MicAtCyp is one of the most knowledgeable members of this forum. Apparently he is a bit of an anarchist as well so he doesn't like rules
But I believe MicAtCyp should agree that without some rules the situation would become chaotic, and in the end nobody would care to post or read anymore. I agree with the Admin that people (including myself) should spent more time to prepare quality posts.

For some reason everybody concluded that Admin was aiming mainly AA. I didn't see this. Copy & Paste, while it was something way overdone by AA now, it is a very common practice of some other forum members as well. Insan very often uses this method when trying to overwhelm us with a ton of propaganda information.

Also who writes "one liners" all the time?. Its not my Sister, thats for sure

I think that if we all followed the rules we could have much better discussions.

I am here long enough to know that the rules, are actually rules just twice a year. For the rest of the time they are simply guidelines.

I apologize to anybody that I offended. However I also get offended when I am mocked because I demand my human rights.
If I am treated with respect I always respond in the same manner. However I am not the type that will take insults and shut up, and I am not the type to "disguise" my words either. Some people are equally offensive, e.g. Viewpoint when calling Agios Amvrisios as "Essente" (or something like that), but they believe they did nothing wrong because they throw their offense with "proper" words.

I believe we have to show some real respect to each other. In the the case of AA respect means to tell him that he should get his property back, and maybe ask from him if he would be willing to make some compromise regarding this issue, and not tell him that he should shut up and stop demanding what he owns.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Yeah I admit I went on a bit of a drunken rampage coz we had a pub crawl at uni. (*pardon*)

Don't drink and drive. Do not speak to the driver when the bus is in motion.

[erolz]

For some reason everybody concluded that Admin was aiming mainly AA. I didn't see this. Copy & Paste, while it was something way overdone by AA now, it is a very common practice of some other forum members as well. Insan very often uses this method when trying to overwhelm us with a ton of propaganda information.

Well it seemed to me that the intervention by the admin was prompted by AA behaviour. We all post and have posted cut and paste (and in my case sometimes retyped) articles. However this has almost always been done as part of a discussion to make or highlight a point. What AA was doing was very different imo. There was no discussion. The number of new threads opened with only a single cut and pasted artcile in them was making the forum almost unuesable by anyone trying to have sensible discussion.

I am here long enough to know that the rules, are actually rules just twice a year. For the rest of the time they are simply guidelines.

As long as we 'play nice' then there is no need for rules and enforcment and judgments. When however the playing of a small minority or even single indivdual threatens the value of the forums to everyone else then some enforcement becomes necessary, as I see it and I am glad some action was taken.

I apologize to anybody that I offended. However I also get offended when I am mocked because I demand my human rights.

Maybe you just think / feel you are being mocked but I can assure this have never been my intent. The only point I have tried to make in regard to 'your' rights and their importance is that there has to also be a reciprical recognition of TC rights, including our rights and equality (regardless of being numerical smaller) as a partner community in Cyprus along with the GC. To only consider one sides rights and ignore the other is no way to find a solution nor is it compatible with a beleif in the intent of humans rights charters as they currently exist. If this argument for 'equality' of the rights of both GC and TC (both as indivduals and as communites) is seen by you as 'mocking' you because of your insitance on your human rights then I have obviously not made my position very clear or you have misconstrued what I was trying to say or most likely a bit of both. The bottom line for me is that if you accept that the TC community has rights (not gifts or concessions from GC) and that they are equal to the rights of the GC community (despite us being smaller in number) then I am happy to talk about solutions that give you the fullest expression of your rights possible, without that being detrimental to anyone elses rights. If you refuse that we have rights (as a community) then do not be surprised if I show little interest on a solution based solely on your 'version' of human rights.

If I am treated with respect I always respond in the same manner.

With respect Piratis your history of posts does not bear this out, at least imo.

However I am not the type that will take insults and shut up, and I am not the type to "disguise" my words either. Some people are equally offensive, e.g. Viewpoint when calling Agios Amvrisios as "Essente" (or something like that), but they believe they did nothing wrong because they throw their offense with "proper" words.

A wrong admited is less 'bad' than the same wrong not admited? Maybe. Then again maybe they are both as wrong? For me reptance is the key element with regard to 'wrong doing'. Admission without reptance (ie a will to change ones behaviour next time) is the important factor. Two wrongs are still two wrongs but a wrong doer who repents their wrong doing is less 'bad' than one who does not.

I believe we have to show some real respect to each other.

I also believe this but to me respect is not something given by right or to be demanded - it is something that is earnt.

In the the case of AA respect means to tell him that he should get his property back, and maybe ask from him if he would be willing to make some compromise regarding this issue, and not tell him that he should shut up and stop demanding what he owns.

That may be AA idea of respect, however it is unreasonable to expect to come to a place like this and treat everyone with contempt and disrespect and then be upset when you are not shown respect in return. AA did nothing to earn any respect. Just look at his first say 20 posts.

Post 1 - addressed to me and basically saying the TC have no rights as a community and even if they do they are no where near as important as GC rights.

Fair enough - that's his right to believe this and express his views.

Post 2 - again on the issue of TC minority but this time with much sarcasm and with an insistance that there can be no solution without every single last gc that lost property in 74 being able to return (whilst also ignoring / denying) TC rights as a community.

Again his right to hold these views and express them, but the sarcasm is hardly warranted. Still a new user and only his second post - so give him a chance.

Post 3 - Again much sarcasm. Again not really a discussion just a statement that he has nothing (more) to lose and will vote down anything until he gets what he wants. Again entitled to the views but the sarcasm and scorn with which they are expressed is hardly a way to earn respect is it?

Post 4 - more sarcasm. very little content.

Post 5 - Threats?

Post 6 - more sarcasm - though probably the clearest expression of his views so far

Post 7 - more threats and sarcasm and scorn along with (imo) unessesary language

Post 8 - again what looks like an attempt to make a serious point, again unfortuantely seriously undermined by his use of words like 'fudge packer' and the need to insult peoples 'daddies'.

Post 9 - the first post that does not contain any sarcasm, potentialy offensive language or scorn. A short one liner.

Post 10 - another valid point again marred by unessesary references to 'my daddy' and his wasting money on my education.

Post 11 - a vaild expression of his view point with only a 'small' piece of sarcasm at the end

Post 12 - just a three word sarcastic post poking scorn at those trying to find a peacful solution

Post 13 - the second post that contains no insults, no scorn and no sarcasm. Well done!

Post 14 - more sarcasm, scorn and now some 'boasting' as to how monetarily rich he is

and so it goes on, with his last 20 or so post all creating a new thread all with a single cut and pasted 'article' in them.

What I am saying here is that if AA really wants to be treated with respect then he needs to behave in a way that is compatible with being shown respect. If he wishes to behave as a petulant child then he should expect to be treated like one. Is that not a reasonable view?

I for one would like AA to keep posting. I have no interest in him being silenced. If he has views then express them. However do so in an adult manner and in a spirit of discussion and mutual respect. If all he really wants is some attention, like a spoilt child then I wish and hope he will just go elsewhere. Respect is a two way thing. My deafult is to treat everyone with respect. However if they persistently behave like a petulant child and disrupt the forums in the process then I reserve the right to treat them with the respect such behaviour deserves.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Ban Me! Ban Me! Ban ME!

[erolz]

Ban Me! Ban Me! Ban ME!

I would rather try and convince you that there is much for you and everyone else to gain if you can change the 'style' of your posts and behaviour. There is no need to change the content (for those posts where there has been any content).

What do you think? Contribute with others here in an atmosphere of respect regardless of disagreement or carry on like a spolit child in need of attention until you force the poor soul whose burden it is to moderate this forum into some kind of action?

[magikthrill]

Ban Me! Ban Me! Ban ME!

I would rather try and convince you that there is much for you and everyone else to gain if you can change the 'style' of your posts and behaviour. There is no need to change the content (for those posts where there has been any content).

What do you think? Contribute with others here in an atmosphere of respect regardless of disagreement or carry on like a spolit child in need of attention until you force the poor soul whose burden it is to moderate this forum into some kind of action?

erolz is right on this one.

although almost everyone has disagreed with at least one person in this forum, we have all learned something out of this (at least i hope so).

and although i will respect the rules of the forum i still dont think theres anything bad to responding to posts with a joke. it makes the atmosphere more informal and kinda ties the members together.

regardless though i will try to do as im told. and if i get banned, well there are a few thousand computers on campus so ill find a way to get back

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

I apologize to anybody that I offended.

Thankyou Piratis apology accepted.

Piratis

Some people are equally offensive, e.g. Viewpoint when calling Agios Amvrisios as "Essente" (or something like that), but they believe they did nothing wrong because they throw their offense with "proper" words.

Esentepe means Agios Amvrisios, in our language, sorry if it offended was not intentional, we have been using this name for 30 years and still do so its only natural that when we refer to certain locations we use the Turkish names rather than the Greek names which we do not know. I do not take offence to your using the Greek names (I try to understand which location you are referring to first) shouldnt it be the same when we use the Turkish names?? (just a thought)

[MicAtCyp]

No Erol I am not going to leave the forum just like that, the feelings of friendship are mutual, I would feel sad not to see you around too.
Unfortunately our friend Viewpoint would be very glad to see me going to hell, thank you Viewpoint for your warm feelings.

However I would like to see those new rules been changed to guidelines rather than rules. For example lets take the rule that does not allow copy pasting more than 3 lines. I personally dont copy-paste from the internet, but I have a lot of info saved on my PC most of which are old and are not even available online anymore or even I dont know where I found them. Some are from Politis newspaper that has online articles of the past 6 months ONLY!

How could I post my information otherwise than copy pasting from my PC?
And what will happen if the admin followes the new rules stricktly and deletes my post? Wouldn't I feel offended, I mean spending so much time contributing, and have my "labour" going into the garbage in just seconds?

To summarise I beleive the new rules should become guidelines.
I admit though the admins have been linear and fair so far, so I guess I should trust them they will judge each case accordingly and continue like that.