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[turkcyp]

Again with the EU, Cyprus and Turkey,

Can't you see Cyprus is going to use EU card till the last minute to gain what she wants, a solution the she sees fit.

And Turkey will hold onto its Cyprus card and will not let it go till the last minute in fear of loosing both CYprus and what she wants, EU membership.

So at the best case scneario Cyprus will be completly solved in 15 years I would say. And that is if, another EU member other than Cyprus does not block Turkish accesion before Cyprus.

So there lies the TCs dillemma. GCs will get what they want, Turkey will get what they want, and these all will be done at the expense of TCs. So as I have said it earlier, we should try to find ways of securing our rights from 1960 agreements if we want to save our asses. Otherwise we will be a mere minority living in Greek state, and I guarantee you in 20 years we will be trying to get our identity recognized as Turkish instead of Muslim Greeks, just the same way Turks in Greece is trying now.

Good luck to all of us,

[insan]

So, turkcyp... If Turkey has been a full member of EU, today; what would have changed in its stance concerning the solution?

Would she accept "majority rule"? Would she accept return of all refugees and relocation of all TCs? Would she accept to withdraw all of her troops from Cyprus? Would she accept repatriation of all settlers?

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

It is inconceivable for a country to occupy another within the EU. Your hypothetical scenario just could not happen, just in the same way that Turkey could never be an EU member if she continues to occupy Cyprus.

In many ways turkcyp is correct. The TC's are now caught between a rock and a hard place. They have to side with one or the other. If they want the EU they need to get it now and not rely on Turkish EU membership because that may never happen. If it never happens, the north will become a region of Turkey. If membership is granted then the conditions of that may mean that the TC's will indeed be patched to the RoC.

The TC's need to understand this very well and I think this is something that many of you overlook. You actually need to take control of your own destiny here. This for far too long has been left in the hands of Turkey. Perhaps you should be more trusting of your compatriots than placing so much faith in Turkey. Afterall, we have to live with you and you have to live with us.

[garbitsch]

Mikkie where do you get your information from? Current Turkish officials (President + Premier) had stressed on the fact that they do not want to cede the North Cyprus and they are in favour of a peace plan that will lead to the unification of the island. Well I reckon your answers will be "Oh Annan plan does not mean unification but legalisation of the illegal state". But this plan was appreciated by the UN (it is a UN plan after all) and piratis's Union.

For northern Iraq, the Turkish government always supported the Iraqi Unity. But the situation is not such. America is pushing for Kurdish independence with the inclusion of Kirkuk, which is not a traditional Kurdish city.

Piratis, we all know here that Turkey must recognise RoC in order to become part of EU, but this requires 15 years and in the end the Cyprus will be unified in which the Turkish Cypriots will be represented. At this moment, you should understand Turkey's doubts. Turkey cannot recognise the South at this point.

[insan]

Insan,

It is inconceivable for a country to occupy another within the EU. Your hypothetical scenario just could not happen, just in the same way that Turkey could never be an EU member if she continues to occupy Cyprus.

I know mikkie but both Turkey and TCs believe that, under the current circumstances; they did almost anything possible to end the occupation and reach a permemnant solution. You don't want to accept this fact and still trying to interprete it how it suits your needs. We all witnessed the TC revolt against the authorities they don't want. If they have felt the same, they wouldn't hesitate to do the same to Talat.

In many ways turkcyp is correct. The TC's are now caught between a rock and a hard place. They have to side with one or the other.

TCs(pro-solution I mean) only side with what they believe is right for themselves.

If they want the EU they need to get it now and not rely on Turkish EU membership because that may never happen.

TCs don't need EU to get prosper. They are well aware of that GC side prospered with tourism industry without EU.

If it never happens, the north will become a region of Turkey.

No. The North will become something similar to post-74 "RoC".

If membership is granted then the conditions of that may mean that the TC's will indeed be patched to the RoC.

This will never happen because majority of TCs are against being patched to "RoC" as a minority and forced to relocation.

The TC's need to understand this very well and I think this is something that many of you overlook.

Because we know that it is impossible. However majority of anti-reunification TCs, indeed have such a paranoia.

You actually need to take control of your own destiny here.

It is already under control of pro-solution parties of TCs in cooperation with pro-reunification parties of Turkey.

This for far too long has been left in the hands of Turkey.

No. It was always the same. Nothing has changed on the basic principles of TC-Turkish solution thesis. The ineffective, concervatist and nerdish actors have replaced with more effective, pro-active and modern actors.

Perhaps you should be more trusting of your compatriots than placing so much faith in Turkey.

I have deep faith, trust and respect every human being who are honest and sincere. No matter what is his/her nationality or ethnicity.

Afterall, we have to live with you and you have to live with us.

If possible why not. If not possible we'll look for other ways... It's been more than 40 years we are trying to find the formula of living together in peaceful co-existence but unfortunately we failed. How long more we should try it under the present circumstances...

[-mikkie2-]

they did almost anything possible to end the occupation and reach a permemnant solution.

No you did not. You got what you wanted (or rather Turkey did) from the Annan plan at our expense. It was a win-loose. That is why we need to further negotiate and reach a mutually acceptable solution.

[pantelis]

These, bring Turkey even closer to Europe!

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/June04/Stanton0629.htm

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Stanton0310.htm

"A fox may change his colours, but not his tricks"

[pantelis]

This one, brought the US closer to Iraq..........

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/ ... arming.htm

[Viewpoint]

-mikkie2-

No you did not. You got what you wanted (or rather Turkey did) from the Annan plan at our expense. It was a win-loose. That is why we need to further negotiate and reach a mutually acceptable solution.

Why arent GCs negotiating, the world is waiting for details?????

[garbitsch]

Pantelis, I would like to know your points and comments.