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[markou96]

I read the posts on this thread and a few other threads about the situation in Cyprus and I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriots a very simple and yet taunting question?

Why a minority of the magnitude of 12% of the population not only requests but also demands a separate state of its own?

Of course the claim for two separate entities and a third governing party, as proposed by the Anan plan, is not only unfair but also strictly unconstitutional in terms of human rights. Greek Cypriots were violently evicted from their homes and properties and now Anan is proposing a plan that will, in fact, legitimize an act of aggression. I realize that Turkish Cypriots suffered in the hands of Greek Cypriot extremists in the 60’s, but never to the extent that Greek Cypriot suffered by the Turks during the invasion and the years following that. In fact I was personally appalled by the cowardly acts of violence that took place in the summer of 1996. The fact, though, that Turkish Cypriots suffered in a time of political upheaval does not in any means grant the right of a separate state. If every people who felt oppressed and undermined by its government was granted a state of its own then the U.N charter would have been totally different today. Armenians would have their own state; Albanians in Kosovo would have their state; Kurds would have their own state; Chechnya would certainly get rid of Russian influence; and I believe that even African Americans would have their own state! It is unfathomable that a population of barely 100,000, about 11.1% of the total, can demand a state of their own. In fact, in the 19th century America, the south was invaded and forced to join the federacy instead of being allowed to function as a separate co federation.

Furthermore, it is my belief that the plan, as proposed, not only will eventually lead to further acts of hatred and violence but it will also lay the foundations for a split and a final legalization of the Turkish invasion. In the 1960’s the constitution proposed and finally accepted by the Cypriots was so dysfunctional that it finally led to the withdrawal of the Turkish Cypriots from the government. The constitution proposed under the Anan Plan is even more complicated and its complexity will reduce our government to a mockery in international political forums. Veto power granted to minorities will put a hold on all democratic processes. The notion of democracy is based on the consensus of the majority while having in mind the welfare of the minority and not vice versa. If every disgruntled citizen of the new state can effectively place a stronghold on the legislative branch of the government then no law will ever be ratified no matter what its significance is; it is virtually impossible to have a 100% consensus.

The plan continues by providing a foundation for finally legalizing and accepting illegal settlers as permanent citizens, with all the rights and duties, of Cyprus. Settlers were the result of an internationally condemned act and therefore should never even be accepted as part of the negotiations. Considering that the United States of America Constitution, a country that is held by many to be a model of liberalism and democracy and the spearhead of western civilization, strictly states that no criminal is to benefit, directly or indirectly, from his illegal actions. For example an heir cannot inherit the stolen goods of his benefactor. Why then should the settlers, again a result of an illegality, benefit from a proposed solution; and why should the rightful owners, defined as those before the invasion, be punished?

To be continued...

[PEACE]

Why a minority of the magnitude of 12% of the population not only requests but also demands a separate state of its own?

Federal solution is accepted in 1977 ! This won't change after this point.Negotations is for other points.We want Annan Plan style federation! Turkish Cypriot state will be independent in its internal affairs but will work with Greek Cypriot State in foreign affairs.

Ah and this is not our extra demand! This is Annan Plan as its!

[metecyp]

In the 1960’s the constitution proposed and finally accepted by the Cypriots was so dysfunctional that it finally led to the withdrawal of the Turkish Cypriots from the government.

I can't believe that you can be so against to the rights given to T/Cs in Republic of Cyprus and you can still tell the whole world that you love Republic of Cyprus and you go ahead and try to get it into EU telling EU that what you have in the south represents the whole Cyprus!

EITHER deny Republic of Cyprus and anounce the whole world that what you have is Cyprus Hellenic Republic or something, OR accept Republic of Cyprus and never question rights given to T/Cs in Republic of Cyprus! You can't do both at the same time!

[Piratis]

We want Annan Plan style federation

We don't

Then what?

[metecyp]

Then what?

Then do what I said in my previous post.

[Piratis]

But we do this:

accept Republic of Cyprus and never question rights given to T/Cs in Republic of Cyprus

All we said is that the privileges given by the RC to TC are way too many. (but you are not satisfied). We didn't say we are going to change the RC constitution, did we?
Of course, if RC is dissolved (because you want it) then what will be created will be something else, not RC.

[metecyp]

We didn't say we are going to change the RC constitution, did we?

Yeah, it was me who made the 13 amendments proposal back in 1963, not Makarios, and it's again me who is responsible for T/C exclusion from RC. It's also my fault that G/Cs are enjoying the full benefits of "democratic" RC without even questioning why T/Cs are not part of the decision process and it's my fault that RC is getting into EU representing the whole island, when we know the contrary. Everything happenned is my fault.

Of course, if RC is dissolved (because you want it) then what will be created will be something else, not RC.

RC is dissolved not because I want it but because it was "disfunctional" according to your politicians. You cannot say that "what will be created will be something else, not RC" and go around and tell the whole world that what you have is Republic of Cyprus formed in 1960.

[Piratis]

ok, we will not propose any amendments. Satisfied? You want RC now?

RC was never dissolved. It will when we agree on something else. Until then RC is the only state on this island.

[metecyp]

ok, we will not propose any amendments. Satisfied? You want RC now?

Only if I could believe you...when the history and most G/C in this forum say otherwise.

RC was never dissolved. It will when we agree on something else. Until then RC is the only state on this island.

Oh ok, so you're telling me that "RC was never dissolved, but we just put a hold on T/C participation in RC, for some time...like 40 years" Can't you see how absurd this sounds?

You not only reject that RC was dissolved, but you go further and feel no shame by the hellenization of RC in every possible way, and then tell the whole world that you love RC!

[antonis]

RC was never dissolved. It will when we agree on something else. Until then RC is the only state on this island.

Oh ok, so you're telling me that "RC was never dissolved, but we just put a hold on T/C participation in RC, for some time...like 40 years" Can't you see how absurd this sounds?

The RC was not dissolved, it's still alive. But it does not function the way it should function and that's a shame.