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[BigDutch]

insan / metecyp / erolz

Guys, thanks for the discussions so far.

So I now understand that TC's don't want to work with the RoC as it stands today because it is not the "RoC as per 1959" ?

I understand that RoC will not work with "TRNC" however it will work with "TC Administration" ?

I also understand that the RoC is seen as "GC administration" by the TC's, and therefore TC will not work with GC administration under the banner of RoC ?

I understand that any "confidence measures" should not involve any recognition of the other sides "state" ? However all agree that confidence building measures amongst communities are required alongside negotiation between "administrations" ?

If the RoC "foreign minister" and the "'TRNC' Foreign Minister" were to meet wearing badges reading "GC Foreign Minister" and "TC Foreign Minister" - would this be acceptable ?

[insan]

You got it right BigDutch. And it is acceptable.

[garbitsch]

BigDutch, you got the point. Turkish Cypriots will never accept the rule of RoC, evenif it's the only internationally recognised administration in Cyprus.

[Piratis]

TCs want to diminish the internationally recognized RoC to the level of their illegal "TRNC". Partition will be easier this way, since there will be no entity that should legally control the whole island.

[insan]

TCs want to diminish the internationally recognized RoC to the level of their illegal "TRNC". Partition will be easier this way, since there will be no entity that should legally control the whole island.

Harrr! harrr! harrrr! harrrr!

Piratis, that's how your voice sounds to my ears.

[erolz]

TCs want to diminish the internationally recognized RoC to the level of their illegal "TRNC". Partition will be easier this way, since there will be no entity that should legally control the whole island.

For TC the recognition of the post 63 RoC as the sole legitimate government of all of Cyprus was a 'political betrayal' by the rest of the world against TC. My personal view is that it was not done out of malice or hatred for TC (or love of GC) but as so much in international politics was the result of expediency and consern for repectives countires own interests over those of justice. For us the issue of international recognition of the post 63 RoC as a 'legitimate' government is clearly an injustice - comparable to us as recognition of the current TRNC would be to GC.

The iternational recognition of the post 63 RoC government began with UN resolution 186 in 1964. What the rest of the world wanted in 64 was a defusing of the tensions and the treat these tensions caused to the British Bases and to stability in the area (primarily between Greece and Turkey). The hope was that by agreeing to have UN troops sent to Cyprus the situation could be return to a stable senario and back to a pre 63 version of the RoC. In order to get this done it was necessesary to recognise the then all GC RoC as a 'legitimate' government. The UN could not send a peackeeping force to a country at the request of the government there if they did not recognise that government. Turkey and the TC were aware of the danger of such recognition - but also equally aware that without some form of independent miltary force in Cyprus TC would continue to be killed and oppressed and driven from there homes. They were given assurances by both the UK and the US that the reference to 'government' in the resolution meant the consitituional bi communal governement and would not equate to recognition of the GC only government (yet this is exactly how it became to be understood). The US and the UK also reminded the TC and Turkish representatives that every day spent arguing over 'wording' of the resultion was at the cost of more TC lives.

From the moment that this resolution was passed the GC administration used it to legitimise the blantly un-consitituional and illegal state of the post 63 RoC. In 74 this was finaly 'solidified' in new resolutions but the it started with 186 in 64.

I can not see how anyone with a sense of justice can say that the all GC run RoC government in the period 63-74 was anything other than unconsitituional and illegal. What should have happened in 64 with resolution 186 is that it should have been worded in such a way as to make clear that neither the all GC run Government or the TC adminstration were 'legitimate' governments. If this had been done then in all probablilty events would not have evolved to the poit they reached in 74 and we would not be I the mess we are today. However such a resolution would almost certainly have not been allowed to be passed by the RoC or Greece or their Russian allies of convience in causing trouble for NATO via Cyprus.

That GC can 'lecture' us on justice and the rule of law - and use this historic and blatant 'unjust' process (the def facto recognition of the illegal post 63 RoC that lead in turn to de jure recognition) as a 'main plank' of their argumets is to me an indication of just how sincere their comittment to 'justice' is - rather than a comittment to use any 'weapon' against the TC community in Cyprus.

In short the illegal post 63 RoC government gained the seed of their international recognition by killing TC and then placing the rest of the world and TC and Turkey in a position of either trying to stop these killings and accept the illegal RoC or not recognise the illegal RoC and watch the killings go on (or of probably greater concer to the UK/US risk major instability and destabilisation of NATO through military action between Turkey and Greece).