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[MicAtCyp]

I think people here misunderstood the purpose of the experiment. It's purpose is if it proves satisfactory to expand it. And I don't agree the procedure must be completely reversible. You experiment on whether a detergent may damage your clothes on a small part only. It may well damage it that small part, it may not. If it does the damage is very small, and you just stop there.

Back to my original proposal. Lets reduce the villages.Lets make it only for villages that all the people agree to go through. I know of at least one such village -it's there where the fire was burning.

If I were a TC I would watch the following:
1)Did the GCs go and kicked out the TCs from their houses?
2)Did the RoC help in exchanging properties? To what extend did that succeed?
3)How many GC refugees returned to that village?
4)How many TCs were relocated? How far away?
5)Did they relocate successfully-are they happy?
6)2 years after what is the economic status of those TCs?
7)How many got a Government job?
what is their cultural status, what is their educational status?
9)Did any TCs emmigrants returned to that village?
10)How much did the whole thing cost to RoC?

OR
Did noone like it and they abandoned the place and returned to the North asking for a new home?

True those villages will not have any Political rights.But if the experiment is successful the only thing left before expanding the experiment to become THE SOLUTION is the securing of the Political rights

If the experiment is unsuccessful yes you will be deducted 0.5% of land from the 19% you owe us but in return you will get a huge real event for propaganda purposes.How about that?

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Turkcyp,

I don't disagree with your idea as such but how can this be a pilot project that can expand to a bigger application? What data are you going to record? Furthermore is it abandonable?
In my opinion the representatives actions/decisions/laws etc must be applicable to the people who they represent otherwise why should they be there?

[garbitsch]

the experiment is unsuccessful yes you will be deducted 0.5% of land from the 19% you owe us but in return you will get a huge real event for propaganda purposes.How about that?

The world still could do nothing to the Greek Cypriots, since these villages are already recognised as part of the RoC anyway. We have that huge real event for propaganda purposes (rejection of the Annan plan by G.Cs), but we saw that it is not worth

[uzan]

when did turkey officially stop recognizing the roc?

SINCE 23 DECEMBER1963.Turkey officially stop recognazing the caretaker govertmen of roc

[insan]

If Turkey had installed a transitional government and held new general elections, the democracy would have come in such way. In this sense, Turkey was wrong by dividing the island.

Yes! That's exactly what Turkey was supposed to do as a guarantor power - and the fact that it didn't do is the main reason why Greek Cypriots will never again accept having Turkey as the guarantor of Cyprus' constitutional order.

On what basis Turkey should restore constitutional order? 60s agreements and original RoC constitution that you all hated? 13 points of Makarios? Majority rule? Or counter proposal of Denktash which negotiated for 7 years and Makarios didn't agree?

Moreover, Alexandros, you need to well analyze the circumstances of post-war Cyprus? Was a mixed unitary state secure for two communities after all oppressions, massacres, atrocities, hatred and fears? How did EOKA-B maintain its existence in "free areas" until early 1978 and freely, publicly, dauntlessly kept threatining Makarios? who were behind those terrorists? Why did Makarios was obliged to forgive them?

[boulio]

insan the t/c in one breath say makarios was for enosis and in a other say he was being till 1978 by the enisists?which one is it?

[insan]

insan the t/c in one breath say makarios was for enosis and in a other say he was being till 1978 by the enisists?which one is it?

He was obliged to abandon Enosis idea for a while because of some reasons.

1- Junta came into power in Greece and began publicly making Enosis propaganda both in Greece and Cyprus.

2- These developments alarmed Turkey and the Turkish cabinet gathered to decide for intervention.

3- US interfered and stop turkey intervening.

Then, upon the pressure of US and UN Makarios abandoned his stance "İf TCs do not accept minority status, I have nothing to negotiate with them." and consented to negotiate with TC leadership without any pre-conditions but throughout 7 years lasted negotiations, he kept insisting on "majority rule".

[MicAtCyp]

So I guess for you Garbitsch there is no point trying something on a small scale before applying it to a larger scale. You prefer either complete failure or success rather avoiding the complete failure by experimenting on a small scale.
Fine, no problem with me

[garbitsch]

No, I didn't mean that. It's just your experiment that I didn't find useful. This might be understood as a trick of Greeks by the Turkish Cypriot side. I am behaving a bit realist. Sorry!

[MicAtCyp]

A, OK I see.
Well, I would like to know if you can propose an experiment or lets say a small pilot program that can expand to a solution.
I know its a bit difficult, but who knows maybe someone can come up with something.

[erolz]

A, OK I see.
Well, I would like to know if you can propose an experiment or lets say a small pilot program that can expand to a solution.
I know its a bit difficult, but who knows maybe someone can come up with something.

Use Varoahs as the experiment area. Set it up with the same ratio of TC and GC in the rest of Cyprus and use the original 1960 constituion as the basis for it's governance and then see how it goes? Just an ideal.