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[DT.]

You still have not come to terms with the island being divided, the TRNC is for Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, now do you get it? We have never claimed to respresent Greek Cypriots its the other way around so they have to meet the resposiblities that go with that "trophy".

We have never donated you part of our Country, you took it ILLEGALLY by the force of arms. The same way you took it, can be taken back... So don't play us the wise and brave guy here.

How can you donate something to me which is already mine, you have 63% yet you still want more.

Since when my homes and lands are yours or anyone elses? Who gave you the right to import 2 times more settlers than your own population and make them owners as well? Since when Kyrenia Lapithos Morphou Karpasia you name it was yours?

Percentagewise you were 18% what was yours were only your PRIVATE properties in your own villages and parts of towns. The rest belonged to everybody.

And you have the audacity to tell us the occupied parts of Cyprus is the country of the TCs as Japan in for the Japanese.
Stupid tavuka....

The truth hurts I know...like the Greeks longing for Istanbul at this rate you will still be winging and longing for Girne Lapta and Güzelyurt but never forget a few more generations on and people will be saying what division??? Like it or not the TRNC is the country of the Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, as France is for the French. I recommend you wait for that swing in power or recognition which ever one comes first.

As for 18% which is disputed, that claim was changed forever in 1974, its a 37% 63% split, if you want 100% you have to negotiate for it or kiss it goodbye forever.

Are you also gonna tell TC's that their home in Limassol is in Singapore and they better forget it?

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You still have not come to terms with the island being divided, the TRNC is for Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, now do you get it? We have never claimed to respresent Greek Cypriots its the other way around so they have to meet the resposiblities that go with that "trophy".

We have never donated you part of our Country, you took it ILLEGALLY by the force of arms. The same way you took it, can be taken back... So don't play us the wise and brave guy here.

How can you donate something to me which is already mine, you have 63% yet you still want more.

Since when my homes and lands are yours or anyone elses? Who gave you the right to import 2 times more settlers than your own population and make them owners as well? Since when Kyrenia Lapithos Morphou Karpasia you name it was yours?

Percentagewise you were 18% what was yours were only your PRIVATE properties in your own villages and parts of towns. The rest belonged to everybody.

And you have the audacity to tell us the occupied parts of Cyprus is the country of the TCs as Japan in for the Japanese.
Stupid tavuka....

The truth hurts I know...like the Greeks longing for Istanbul at this rate you will still be winging and longing for Girne Lapta and Güzelyurt but never forget a few more generations on and people will be saying what division??? Like it or not the TRNC is the country of the Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, as France is for the French. I recommend you wait for that swing in power or recognition which ever one comes first.

As for 18% which is disputed, that claim was changed forever in 1974, its a 37% 63% split, if you want 100% you have to negotiate for it or kiss it goodbye forever.

Are you also gonna tell TC's that their home in Limassol is in Singapore and they better forget it?

No we tell them its in teh GC state "RoC" and if they wish they can go and live there, but no takers.

[Kikapu]

As for 18% which is disputed, that claim was changed forever in 1974, its a 37% 63% split, if you want 100% you have to negotiate for it or kiss it goodbye forever.

So VP, once again you have lied to us when you said that you would accept the 18%, but now it is 37%. And you make the GC's to be the only "land greedy".!!!

Actually, for your information, if Turkey has no chance of entering EU as you seem to think, then why on earth would Turkey would want to open her ports to the RoC so that limited isolation may be lifted from the "TRNC". How the hell is the Turkish Government ever going to explain this to the Generals in the Military, that their enemy which killed hundreds of Turkish Troops in 1974 now has a free access to Turkey in exchange for a limited lifting of isolation. And I thought you understood the Turks as being "Greek" haters that would want to wipe the GC's off the map...your words by the way on another thread you made few hours ago.

In any case, as I said couple of weeks ago, I can see everyone working behind the scenes, including the RoC to give Turkey some much needed "face saving" out of the present situation with the EU to allow the RoC access to Turkey in return for some limited lifting of isolation of the "TRNC". If Turkey thinks she has no chance at all being in the EU, then they will become the laughing stock of the world to have capitulated to a little nation called the RoC, a "stone throw away" from it's Southern coastline just so to give you a limited lifting of the isolation, as if that's going to make very much difference to your overall economy.. I can just see the Turks feeling humiliated by giving into the GC's just to make you feel better about the isolation. Well VP, if that were to happen, do not be surprised for the TC's to be hated by the Turks much more than what may already exist today, because Turkey had to go on it's knees for the RoC, for the sake of the "TRNC". You know how "passionate" Turks can be sometimes.!!

Lifting of isolation is not even required for Turkey to open her ports to the RoC. Just a "face saving" gesture for Turkey, so that she can brag to the Turks that they got a great deal for the "TRNC". Personally, Turkey wants the EU so bad, she will do anything to get into the club, including giving "your 37%" back to the RoC. So yes, keep pushing for the "agreed Partition" in the form of a BBF, but you may die waiting for it. You may have a better chance on a complete "clean break" agreed partition along the 80%-20% line, then you can really call it a 30%TC-70%Turk country until the percentages become 5%TC-95%Turks within a short few years. But all this will not happen, because Turkey will not allow it to happen, as long as she has a chance to get into the EU, even if it takes another 20+ years.

Sorry to have given you the bad news VP.

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Kikapu

Actually, for your information, if Turkey has no chance of entering EU as you seem to think, then why on earth would Turkey would want to open her ports to the RoC so that limited isolation may be lifted from the "TRNC". How the hell is the Turkish Government ever going to explain this to the Generals in the Military, that their enemy which killed hundreds of Turkish Troops in 1974 now has a free access to Turkey in exchange for a limited lifting of isolation. And I thought you understood the Turks as being "Greek" haters that would want to wipe the GC's off the map...your words by the way on another thread you made few hours ago.

In any case, as I said couple of weeks ago, I can see everyone working behind the scenes, including the RoC to give Turkey some much needed "face saving" out of the present situation with the EU to allow the RoC access to Turkey in return for some limited lifting of isolation of the "TRNC". If Turkey thinks she has no chance at all being in the EU, then they will become the laughing stock of the world to have capitulated to a little nation called the RoC, a "stone throw away" from it's Southern coastline just so to give you a limited lifting of the isolation, as if that's going to make very much difference to your overall economy.. I can just see the Turks feeling humiliated by giving into the GC's just to make you feel better about the isolation. Well VP, if that were to happen, do not be surprised for the TC's to be hated by the Turks much more than what may already exist today, because Turkey had to go on it's knees for the RoC, for the sake of the "TRNC". You know how "passionate" Turks can be sometimes.!!

Kikapu its not bad news at all, you may have not notice it because you are so blinded by your hate for anything Turkish which comes across in most f your posts, that Turkey has stood firm, she has said the EU all along keep your word about removing isolation on the north and I will open my ports, nothing new. No begging, no rush, the EU perspective is more important for Turkey at the present time than getting closer to the entrance, you to will realize this over time. Turkey will get what she wants and your signature will be on the agreement, never under estimate her, she always performs best under pressure and at the last moment.

So VP, once again you have lied to us when you said that you would accept the 18%, but now it is 37%. And you make the GC's to be the only "land greedy".!!!

No I have not lied I personally would accept 18-20% but this has not been offered and for now the 37% without recognition is whats on the table and what we live everyday. So until you people see sense this situation will go on for a very long time to come.

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Lifting of isolation is not even required for Turkey to open her ports to the RoC. Just a "face saving" gesture for Turkey, so that she can brag to the Turks that they got a great deal for the "TRNC". Personally, Turkey wants the EU so bad, she will do anything to get into the club, including giving "your 37%" back to the RoC. So yes, keep pushing for the "agreed Partition" in the form of a BBF, but you may die waiting for it. You may have a better chance on a complete "clean break" agreed partition along the 80%-20% line, then you can really call it a 30%TC-70%Turk country until the percentages become 5%TC-95%Turks within a short few years. But all this will not happen, because Turkey will not allow it to happen, as long as she has a chance to get into the EU, even if it takes another 20+ years.

Everyone said Turkey would choose the EU over TRNC and open her ports to continue on her way in towards the EU and that this would seal recognition for the GC state, well it didn't happen and Turkey stood firm, this year will see a relaxation of the isolation and opening of Turkish ports to GC traffic, I know how much this upsets you but that's the deal.

I don't expect a solution in my life time, with older generations who can remember the "good old days" dieing out younger generations will care even less for a solution (GC poll also confirms this) as the status will be the norm.

So in short what I am saying is 1974 did change the picture forever and unless GCs like you come to their senses and negotiate a deal for their land back they will wait and wait and wait and wait forever.

[Kikapu]

VP,

Kikapu its not bad news at all, you may have not notice it because you are so blinded by your hate for anything Turkish

I see you are still throwing those "Hell Mary Passes" in the hope that you are going to make a "completion" with one of your "receivers". :lol:

Well, you always got "Hiyar Dayi" at the other end who may now and then make some "catches" from your "Hell Mary Passes", but then he goes and "fumbles" it while celebrating prematurely.

has said the EU all along keep your word about removing isolation on the north and I will open my ports, nothing new.

And I've told you it is not part of the package for her EU entry requirement for the EU to lift the isolation on the "TRNC". The only reason there will be a limited isolation lifting, is to save Turkey's face with her own people and the Generals. Simple equation for Turkey...No port opening to the RoC = No further talks on the EU entry.

Everyone said Turkey would choose the EU over TRNC and open her ports to continue on her way in towards the EU and that this would seal recognition for the GC state, well it didn't happen and Turkey stood firm, this year will see a relaxation of the isolation and opening of Turkish ports to GC traffic, I know how much this upsets you but that's the deal.

Turkey already offered to open a single sea port and a airport in 2006 for the lifting of the isolation and keep her EU dreams alive. The EU and RoC did not accept it. If Turkey tries to do the same again, again it will be rejected. The point is, time is running out for Turkey to come to the terms of the EU requirements and start accepting her responsibilities. The day Turkey tells the EU to take her membership and shove it, is the day you can say Turkey has chosen the "TRNC" over EU membership, so until then, always be prepared to be used as a bargaining chip by Turkey. You do not have a choice or any control, so stop with your "Bravado".

No I have not lied I personally would accept 18-20% but this has not been offered and for now the 37% without recognition is whats on the table and what we live everyday

Ever thought about asking the RoC for a 18%-82% split, a hand shake, and a goodbye to have your own True Independence.???

If so, what did they tell you.??

Turkey has stood firm, she has said the EU all along keep your word about removing isolation on the north and I will open my ports, nothing new. No begging, no rush

That's because she had time on her side to be bold before, but now, the time is running out and must do things she does not want to do, and let me give you another thing to think about, as to why this year, 2008 is becoming very important for Turkey to resolve anything she can with EU, is because George Bush and the Republicans are leaving the White House come 2008 US elections in November. The incoming Democrats are not going to be as accommodating to Turkey as the Republicans were. You have already seen the Democrats push the Armenian Genocide issue against Turkey last year, and it has only been put on shelf for a while as not to confuse the issues in Iraq request made by Bush, and secondly, asking the ending of Cyprus Occupation by Turkey. Once the Democrats are in office, Turkey will be in much weaker position to get what she wants, so is the reason for the "Big Push" to get everything done this year, while Bush is still in office.

So in short what I am saying is 1974 did change the picture forever and unless GCs like you come to their senses and negotiate a deal for their land back they will wait and wait and wait and wait forever

Yes, 1974 was suppose to have changed everything forever for all concerned, even had the "TRNC" isolated from everyone until the reality set in, that 2004 was going to be the next changing of the 1974 events with the EU admission of the RoC, so the "borders" were opened to push for the AP to make it easier for Turkey and the "TRNC" to keep things as envisaged in 1974 and maintain it forever. Sorry VP, but 1974's "etched in stone" policy has been replaced with the 2004 RoC entry to the EU. It is now a new ball game, only you do not want to accept it.

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Kikapu your whole appraoch stinks to high hell of ifs and buts, the bottom line is that the GC state going into the EU has changed jack shit, 4 years have passed, have you seen any solution in sight? The UN is pissed off with whole issue due to the concerted effort put into resolving the issue via the AP and the 2 fingers the GCs rewarded them with. The EU themselves pass the buck to the UN and do not wnat anything to do with Cyprus or they would have made a move by now. So what has chnaged since 1974? The GCs have joined a club which is twisting their balls everyday through regulations and taxes, even the Cyprus pound his history.

I see you are still throwing those "Hell Mary Passes" in the hope that you are going to make a "completion" with one of your "receivers".

Well, you always got "Hiyar Dayi" at the other end who may now and then make some "catches" from your "Hell Mary Passes", but then he goes and "fumbles" it while celebrating prematurely.

Whats this crap???

And I've told you it is not part of the package for her EU entry requirement for the EU to lift the isolation on the "TRNC". The only reason there will be a limited isolation lifting, is to save Turkey's face with her own people and the Generals. Simple equation for Turkey...No port opening to the RoC = No further talks on the EU entry.

Turkey has the balls to say what she wants and stands up for what she believes, you may call it saving face I call it getting what you want shes asked for a lifting of isolation for ports and what will she get, what she asked for. You over estmate the the desire of Turks and TCs wanting to enter the EU, the support has dwindled to all time lows with no show of picking up.

Turkey already offered to open a single sea port and a airport in 2006 for the lifting of the isolation and keep her EU dreams alive. The EU and RoC did not accept it. If Turkey tries to do the same again, again it will be rejected. The point is, time is running out for Turkey to come to the terms of the EU requirements and start accepting her responsibilities. The day Turkey tells the EU to take her membership and shove it, is the day you can say Turkey has chosen the "TRNC" over EU membership, so until then, always be prepared to be used as a bargaining chip by Turkey. You do not have a choice or any control, so stop with your "Bravado".

Turkeys EU perspective for entering is the long haul so dont expct anything major in the next 15 years, US governments have come and gone and generally follow the same lines in US Turkish relations so dont worry about that, all a matter of benefits for each side. Turkey will of course have to compromise in certain areas this is not unusal when looking for a solution which they do declare on an international level, you may call it a bargining ship we may call it compromise all depends on your viewpoint.

Ever thought about asking the RoC for a 18%-82% split, a hand shake, and a goodbye to have your own True Independence.???

If so, what did they tell you.??

Neither side would go near such a solution.

That's because she had time on her side to be bold before, but now, the time is running out and must do things she does not want to do, and let me give you another thing to think about, as to why this year, 2008 is becoming very important for Turkey to resolve anything she can with EU, is because George Bush and the Republicans are leaving the White House come 2008 US elections in November. The incoming Democrats are not going to be as accommodating to Turkey as the Republicans were. You have already seen the Democrats push the Armenian Genocide issue against Turkey last year, and it has only been put on shelf for a while as not to confuse the issues in Iraq request made by Bush, and secondly, asking the ending of Cyprus Occupation by Turkey. Once the Democrats are in office, Turkey will be in much weaker position to get what she wants, so is the reason for the "Big Push" to get everything done this year, while Bush is still in office.

You can speculate all you like and put forward your anti Turkey propaganda, whats important is the results and from the entry of the GC south into the EU they are no closer to resolving anything in fact they are further away than ever and people on both sides have started to say and support well maybe we are better off divided.....thats the route we are on.

Yes, 1974 was suppose to have changed everything forever for all concerned, even had the "TRNC" isolated from everyone until the reality set in, that 2004 was going to be the next changing of the 1974 events with the EU admission of the RoC, so the "borders" were opened to push for the AP to make it easier for Turkey and the "TRNC" to keep things as envisaged in 1974 and maintain it forever. Sorry VP, but 1974's "etched in stone" policy has been replaced with the 2004 RoC entry to the EU. It is now a new ball game, only you do not want to accept it.

refer to the top of this post, you will find your answers there. 1974 is what we have to day, the EU has not changed anything on the ground, only mentally do the GCs feel that they are no longer under threat from Turkey becuase they are protect by the EU "army".

[MR-from-NG]

As for 18% which is disputed, that claim was changed forever in 1974, its a 37% 63% split, if you want 100% you have to negotiate for it or kiss it goodbye forever.

So VP, once again you have lied to us when you said that you would accept the 18%, but now it is 37%. And you make the GC's to be the only "land greedy".!!!

Actually, for your information, if Turkey has no chance of entering EU as you seem to think, then why on earth would Turkey would want to open her ports to the RoC so that limited isolation may be lifted from the "TRNC". How the hell is the Turkish Government ever going to explain this to the Generals in the Military, that their enemy which killed hundreds of Turkish Troops in 1974 now has a free access to Turkey in exchange for a limited lifting of isolation. And I thought you understood the Turks as being "Greek" haters that would want to wipe the GC's off the map...your words by the way on another thread you made few hours ago.

In any case, as I said couple of weeks ago, I can see everyone working behind the scenes, including the RoC to give Turkey some much needed "face saving" out of the present situation with the EU to allow the RoC access to Turkey in return for some limited lifting of isolation of the "TRNC". If Turkey thinks she has no chance at all being in the EU, then they will become the laughing stock of the world to have capitulated to a little nation called the RoC, a "stone throw away" from it's Southern coastline just so to give you a limited lifting of the isolation, as if that's going to make very much difference to your overall economy.. I can just see the Turks feeling humiliated by giving into the GC's just to make you feel better about the isolation. Well VP, if that were to happen, do not be surprised for the TC's to be hated by the Turks much more than what may already exist today, because Turkey had to go on it's knees for the RoC, for the sake of the "TRNC". You know how "passionate" Turks can be sometimes.!!

Lifting of isolation is not even required for Turkey to open her ports to the RoC. Just a "face saving" gesture for Turkey, so that she can brag to the Turks that they got a great deal for the "TRNC". Personally, Turkey wants the EU so bad, she will do anything to get into the club, including giving "your 37%" back to the RoC. So yes, keep pushing for the "agreed Partition" in the form of a BBF, but you may die waiting for it. You may have a better chance on a complete "clean break" agreed partition along the 80%-20% line, then you can really call it a 30%TC-70%Turk country until the percentages become 5%TC-95%Turks within a short few years. But all this will not happen, because Turkey will not allow it to happen, as long as she has a chance to get into the EU, even if it takes another 20+ years.

Sorry to have given you the bad news VP.

I hope this fool is aware that while his exerting all this energy in fighting for his GC brothers in their eyes he's still nothing more than a f*****g Turk.

The fool thinks that a few sweet tongued GCs on the forum is a good representation of the general GC public. Well you are in for a shock mate, when push comes to shove you would be spat and pissed on beacuse you are a dirty Turk and there'd be nobody to save you.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu has first hand experiences Mrfromng, from the time he was a child and kept in captivity...

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Kikapu has first hand experiences Mrfromng, from the time he was a child and kept in captivity...

He said when push comes to shove, GCs will always choose GCs over TCs, the we are all Cypriots crap goes out the window.

[MR-from-NG]

Kikapu has first hand experiences Mrfromng, from the time he was a child and kept in captivity...

Pyrp, he couldnt have been more than 8-9 at that time. Doesnt VP's, Zan's, my own fisrt experiences count?

Kikapu is a self centered, self absorbed, attention and popularity seeking individual. He is not thinking in the slightest bit about the TCs.

His agenda is "how can I get more brownie points from forum members"?. How can I impress the other members? How can I impress them with my sense of humour and my general knowledge.

I mean for Gods sake, the way he goes on about the Animal Farm, about his comedy act etc. The guy is only a chocolate taster in some f*****g chocolate factory in Switzerland. Get over it be sonradan gorme.

Oh and his boat, I'd like to stick the mast of that boat right up his backside one day