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The trouble is, "Greek" Cypriots aren't Greek

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Eric dayi » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:47 am

repulsewarrior wrote:dearest eric, i am sorry, i don't want your apology.


I offered and you refuse but only because we both know you are lying. :wink:


However, i would like it if you act with the same respect that you are desiring, unlike the"GC"'s you claim to know so well.


I knew you would come back with this kind of crap rw.

What "same respect" are you referring to? Do you expect me to accept you as a "Cypriot only"? Change your tune and accept and address me as a Turkish Cypriot otherwise go to hell. :twisted:

BTW, your "Cyprus solution" stinks, just wanted to be the first to tell you in case no one has yet. One of the worst ideas that only a GC can come up with. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Marz » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:05 am

this is the real trouble Turkey.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/wor ... 06998.html
Cyprus continues to remain divided 33 years after Turkish invasion
November 28th, 2007 - 6:24 pm ICT by admin - Email This Post
Nicosia, Nov 28 (ANI): The UN General Assembly and Security Council, along with several other international organisations, have adopted a series of resolutions condemning Turkey’s aggression against Cyprus, as the latter remains divided even 33 years after the former invaded it.
After occupying nearly forty percent of Cyprus’ northern sovereign territory through its military occupation, Turkey has implemented a geographic separation of the population along ethnic lines, by forcing the Greek Cypriots out of their homes in the occupied areas and moving the Turkish Cypriots into the occupied areas.
Coming down heavily against this act, the resolutions demand the return of the displaced people to their homes in safety and the ascertainment of the fate of all missing persons. In addition, they call for respect for the human rights of all Cypriots and for the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus.
Moreover, the European Commission and the European Court of Human Rights have found the government of Turkey culpable for gross and systematic violations of human rights in Cyprus.
The situation was further exacerbated by attempts at secession of the occupied areas from Cyprus– first in 1975, through the announcement of the so-called “Turkish Federated State of Cyprus” and then in 1983, through a “Unilateral Declaration of Independence” (UDI), which sought to establish the self-styled “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” (TRNC).
Turkey has even tried to mislead the international community into believing that the Government of Cyprus was, somehow, responsible for the predicament of the Turkish Cypriots.
Turkey has used this approach for two reasons– to divert, in view of its EU aspirations, attention from its ongoing military aggression against Cyprus, and to upgrade the illegal regime in the occupied areas of the island. In essence, Ankara has been seeking to secure for the secessionist regime economic attributes of an independent entity with no formal international recognition. This would allow the illegal regime to exist without any incentive for constructive participation in the peace process for the reunification of the island.
In their efforts to gain international support for their propaganda, Turkish leaders have adopted, as their main argument, the misleading slogan of “ending the economic isolation” of Turkish Cypriots when, in fact, their goal has been all along political.
In response to Turkey’s aggression, Cyprus introduced a number of necessary defensive measures to safeguard its independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity, economy and society. One of these measures was the declaration of all points of entry and exit (seaports and airports) in the Turkish occupied area of the Republic as illegal. This and other defensive measures became necessary, because the Government of Cyprus was not able to exercise effective control in the areas under Turkish military control.
Under international law, Cyprus is the only legal and recognized authority with sole responsibility for air and sea travel, trade, security, safety and similar issues within its sovereign territory. Similarly, under international law, the regime established by Turkey in occupied Cyprus is illegal and, therefore, all its professed institutions, decisions and documents have no political or legal validity in Cyprus or internationally.
The record clearly shows that the military occupation by Turkey has victimized, albeit in different ways, both the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities on the island. Turkey’s continuing occupation is directly responsible for whatever sense of “isolation” Turkish Cypriots may have experienced.
Turkey has maintained control of the economy in the occupied areas through conditional aid, direct instructions and management, which fostered an inefficient and corrupt system, with disastrous results for the Turkish Cypriots.
Turkey has, since 1980, been responsible for the rejection by Turkish Cypriot leaders of confidence-building measures, because, though beneficial, such measures would not promote the international recognition of the illegal regime in occupied Cyprus.
On the other hand, the Government of Cyprus has always been concerned about the economic situation of Turkish Cypriots. It has demonstrated this concern in practical terms before and after Turkey’s invasion of the island and long before the Annan Plan was proposed.
The Cyprus Government has been better able to provide services to Turkish Cypriots since the partial lifting in 2003 of illegal restrictions, imposed by the Turkish military on the free movement of people across the 1974 UN ceasefire line that extends across the island. Turkish Cypriots have since been able to work, in increasing numbers, in the Government-controlled areas.
Since 2003, more than eleven million people and more than three million vehicles have crossed the ceasefire line. The substantial increase in economic activity and trade across the ceasefire line has helped to double the per capita income of Turkish Cypriots.
These peaceful, incident-free crossings have also destroyed the myth cultivated for years by Turkish propaganda that the two communities are not able to live together.
While steadfastly promoting a comprehensive settlement, the Government also continues a systematic policy designed to foster trust and reconciliation between the two communities that would ultimately lead to reunification. The Government has already implemented a series of such tangible measures that have yielded visible results.
Only the reunification of Cyprus and the reintegration of its economy and institutions can adequately address the political and economic welfare of all citizens.
A unified Cyprus will reintegrate its people, institutions, society and economy and create conditions for peace, security and stability. Turkish Cypriots will then be able to enjoy the entire spectrum of benefits offered by the state of Cyprus and EU membership. The Government of Cyprus will continue to expand its integrative policy initiatives unilaterally and in cooperation with the European Commission and its EU partners. It will do so while steadfastly pursuing a viable settlement on Cyprus that will reunify the country and its people, reintegrate its economy and satisfy the fundamental concerns of all its citizens.
As Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos stated, “What we demand is very reasonable and what we aim for is self-evident: We demand and aim for the reunification of our country and our people in the framework of a bi-communal,bi-zonal federation; a state with one economy, a cohesive society and non-fragmented institutions. We demand andaim to safeguard our fundamental rights and basic freedoms. We demand a solution which can be workable and lastingin order to serve the interests and rights of all Cypriots and not of other countries.” (ANI)

Wonder what comments the typical suspects on this site have to say. :)
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Postby Eric dayi » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:33 am

We all know why you GCs want Turkey out even before any solution in Cyprus. In fact, the whole world knows it and that is why no one demands that Turkey pulls it's troops out.

You Greeks and GCs tried every trick in the book including genocide to achieve your expansionist dream of ENOSIS and nothing worked so that peace of crap and lies you posted above is just that, peace of crap and lies.

Turkey will not pull out unless there is such an agreement that our rights as equal partners, our human rights, safety and existence in Cyprus is guaranteed as Turkey being one of the guarantor powers.

Keep coming up with new tricks, we'll just sit back and laugh at you the same as the rest of the world is doing. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:11 am

Eric dayi wrote:We all know why you GCs want Turkey out even before any solution in Cyprus. In fact, the whole world knows it and that is why no one demands that Turkey pulls it's troops out.

You Greeks and GCs tried every trick in the book including genocide to achieve your expansionist dream of ENOSIS and nothing worked so that peace of crap and lies you posted above is just that, peace of crap and lies.

Turkey will not pull out unless there is such an agreement that our rights as equal partners, our human rights, safety and existence in Cyprus is guaranteed as Turkey being one of the guarantor powers.

Keep coming up with new tricks, we'll just sit back and laugh at you the same as the rest of the world is doing. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Eriko , stop bullshitiing , how many T/Cs 7 years before Turkish invasion were killed , you mention genocide so go on foreign boy tell us HOW MANY.To help you you can do a search on ecery single saurce of information but stay away from the Turkish sites that gave you all the bullshit about genocide, unless ofcourse they were refering to the Armenian genocide !
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:31 am

Eric dayi wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:dearest eric, i am sorry, i don't want your apology.


I offered and you refuse but only because we both know you are lying. :wink:


However, i would like it if you act with the same respect that you are desiring, unlike the"GC"'s you claim to know so well.


I knew you would come back with this kind of crap rw.

What "same respect" are you referring to? Do you expect me to accept you as a "Cypriot only"? Change your tune and accept and address me as a Turkish Cypriot otherwise go to hell. :twisted:

BTW, your "Cyprus solution" stinks, just wanted to be the first to tell you in case no one has yet. One of the worst ideas that only a GC can come up with. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


what "same respect": one person to another; whether "Greek" or"Turkish" eric, as Human beings capable of reason.

anyway you like to think of yourself as superior (it seems), telling me what i think, telling everyone what they think, or are, ...too bad eric, but i am here for you, and i will try to help you.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:36 am

...ps eric, ENOSIS was acheived as of the first of this year.
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Postby Marz » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:49 am

Genocide, well you say your not Cypriot nor Turkish so you dont seem to exist as any race.
if it were genocide there would have been many more tc deaths to be genocide.

So you teling me theres no truth to that article Turkey has contributed more to your isolation and suffering, than Southern Cyprus?
Yea you exist but thats all you do at the moment waiting for Turkey to do every for you but help never arrives to help you with daily life, you been suffering more in these 35 years than you did before.

Human rights, hey well Turkeys human rights are better than ours arent they? you dont have to look very far to see what they have done to the people they supposedely saved.

we made a step and allowed tc to enter the south to help them find work and stability to not live like scumbags thats more hel p than turkey had done.

You say the world see whats happening of course they do this article wasnt written in cyprus if you noticed.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:53 am

...if i may correct you Marz, it was Denktash who opened the gates. It is why i call him a hero, a contemporary to Makarios, even if they wanted to be identified as Greek or Turk they were Cypriots, and they put Cyprus, in the end, before their own desires.
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Postby Eliko » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:59 am

[quote="miltiades"quote]
Eriko , stop bullshitiing , how many T/Cs 7 years before Turkish invasion were killed , you mention genocide so go on foreign boy tell us HOW MANY.To help you you can do a search on ecery single saurce of information but stay away from the Turkish sites that gave you all the bullshit about genocide, unless ofcourse they were refering to the Armenian genocide ![/quote]

miltiades, you gave me quite a shock there, momentarily I thought you were referring to ME, please address Eric dayi more precisely lest others may also confuse us and consider my views to be in league with his. :wink:
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Postby Marz » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:09 am

here you go eric dayi:

In fact, Turkey has always planned the invasion in Cyprus and the "taksim" (partition) of the island, prior to 1974. In 1939, soon after the annexation of Hatay, a predominantly Syrian city, Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey stated: "The turn of Cyprus has not yet come".

In 1956 the Turkish-Cypriot leader F. Kutchuck submitted on a map taksim proposals dividing Cyprus to North and South. Since the 1974 Turkish invasion deviated from the 1956 plan only in minor details, I have trouble accepting the author's statement that the invasion was not planned. On the other hand the current Turkish-Cypriot leader Denktash himself contradicted the author's argument of protectionism of the Turkish-Cypriot minority when he stated, "Even if the Turkish-Cypriots did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece."


Of course there were problems between the two communities in the 1950s and 1960s and innocent Turkish-Cypriots did suffer from extremists condemned by the overwhelming majority of the Greek-Cypriots and the Cypriot government. Unfortunately, many of these acts were directed by Turkey in an effort to prove that the two communities could not live together.

Denktash for instance is still bragging about planting a bomb in 1958 outside the Turkish consulate which was blamed on Greek-Cypriots and caused a great deal of strife between the two communities. In 1963 TNT, a Turkish-Cypriot terrorist group, attacked and killed the publishers of the Turkish Cypriot newspaper Cumhuriet, for supporting cooperation between the two communities. I could go on and mention bombings of civilians by Turkish planes in 1964 and 1967. Even the then-Secretary General of the United Nations U Thant in a report blamed Turkey for trying to "reinforce the claim that the two communities cannot live together." It is thus clear that the tension created in Cyprus one or two decades before 1974, on which the authors of the letters mentioned above have elaborated so much, was supported by Turkey and by no means justifies the Turkish invasion.

But Turkey's duty was to protect the constitutional order of Cyprus and, I believe, any unbiased person would agree that killing, raping and humiliating civilians as well as destroying the island's cultural heritage, such as churches and ancient Greek monuments, is not justifiable and did not serve the purpose of restoring the constitutional order.

Dont tell me these events arent true because id like to be proven otherwise. Genocide hey looks like Turkey is killing you slowly.
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