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[Eric dayi]

thanks Zan.

Go on Daft Twat, tell me you didn't know about the 40,000 GCs who returned to their homes in 1977, go on, I promise not to laugh at you, honestly.

[Marz]

I can do better than that DT.........
Zan (malaka) said:

"(1) In 1974 the actual number of refugees was 201,000. But about 40,000 people who became refugees in 1974 because they lived in dangerous areas close to the line of occupation but within the Government Controlled Area returned to their homes in 1977. "


What a load of crap Zan, my father hasnt beeen able to go to his village even now becasue its off limits.


Vp ill asnwer you question from page one, every household has a machinegun for safety thats how many troops we have. If my father had to he would use it again on the Turkish troops he was almost captured by

[zan]

I can do better than that DT.........
Zan (malaka) said:

"(1) In 1974 the actual number of refugees was 201,000. But about 40,000 people who became refugees in 1974 because they lived in dangerous areas close to the line of occupation but within the Government Controlled Area returned to their homes in 1977. "


What a load of crap Zan, my father hasnt beeen able to go to his village even now becasue its off limits.


Vp ill asnwer you question from page one, every household has a machinegun for safety thats how many troops we have. If my father had to he would use it again on the Turkish troops he was almost captured by

The figures come from a Greek site you twit.....And many other places that prefer to tell the ruth....

[Marz]

seems you must have nothing better to do that sit here all day, and read crap off the internet.
ohh hang on i forgot your soo scared to come out of your bunker beccasue everyones after you.
knock on the wall and say hi to the biggest parnoid VP.

[Eric dayi]

seems you must have nothing better to do that sit here all day, and read crap off the internet.
.

Are you saying that the Greek websites zan has been reading are crap?

Thanks for letting us know mate, really appreciate that.

ohh hang on i forgot your soo scared to come out of your bunker beccasue everyones after you.
knock on the wall and say hi to the biggest parnoid VP

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...you Greeks/GCs have been living in fear that Turkey will attack you since 1822 and you call zan and VP "paranoid"?

[Expatkiwi]

Eric,

While I support TRNC independence, the presence of 40,000 troops lends credence to the folks claiming that the troops are an occupation force, rather than a protective force. Despite any Status of Forces agreement between TRNC and Turkey, ligitimacy of independence does depend upon appropriate troop levels. Thats one reason why USA maintains a relatively small number of troops in South Korea, compared with the ROK military.

Strategically, given Turkey's proximity to Cyprus, maintaining large numbers of troops seems superflous. Five to ten thousand troops would be more than enough of a deterrent. Forty Thousand is overkill, IMHO.

[Marz]

eric, im talking about crap off the Turk sites Zan has been reading.
well im not the one or any other GC here posting how they live in fear and need the Turkey to assure our safety, we hvae created our own.
But you do agree VP and Zan are paranoid though there day job must be digging tunnels just in case of war to hide in.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Hello Expatkiwi

I do think that you are right about the perception of "folks" with regard to the large number of Turkish troops in Northern Cyprus, particularly given the strike capability of the Turkish Air Force, in the event of any potential "hostilities".

This presence is historic ( It might have been the intention of Turkey to take the whole island and ensure that the 1960 constitution was re-implemented).

It might also be that once this large number of troops was here that the Generals decided to stay in order to "influence" local politics.

None of the above is really reason enough, but I do feel that given the temprament of of "hot blooded" Mediterranean "folk" any withdrawal might appear to be a "climb down" from a military point of view.

The British forces number approx. 3,000 on the island.

Another example of overkill?

[Expatkiwi]

Hello Expatkiwi

I do think that you are right about the perception of "folks" with regard to the large number of Turkish troops in Northern Cyprus, particularly given the strike capability of the Turkish Air Force, in the event of any potential "hostilities".

This presence is historic ( It might have been the intention of Turkey to take the whole island and ensure that the 1960 constitution was re-implemented).

It might also be that once this large number of troops was here that the Generals decided to stay in order to "influence" local politics.

None of the above is really reason enough, but I do feel that given the temprament of of "hot blooded" Mediterranean "folk" any withdrawal might appear to be a "climb down" from a military point of view.

The British forces number approx. 3,000 on the island.

Another example of overkill?

Hi, Suetoniuspaulinus (interesting name). Even though I'm pro-TRNC independence, I don't think highly of such a large amount of Turkish troops stationed in the north of Cyprus, but I can see your point about a perceived 'climb-down' should a large portion of Turkish forces be withdrawn. The addage 'give and inch and they'll take a mile' is probably on the minds of the Turkish General Staff. Influencing TRNC politics by their presence is another concern. It all makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. Self-determination under those circumstances is rather problematical.

By the way, any settlement should also involve the British ceding the SBA's.

[zan]

Hello Expatkiwi

I do think that you are right about the perception of "folks" with regard to the large number of Turkish troops in Northern Cyprus, particularly given the strike capability of the Turkish Air Force, in the event of any potential "hostilities".

This presence is historic ( It might have been the intention of Turkey to take the whole island and ensure that the 1960 constitution was re-implemented).

It might also be that once this large number of troops was here that the Generals decided to stay in order to "influence" local politics.

None of the above is really reason enough, but I do feel that given the temprament of of "hot blooded" Mediterranean "folk" any withdrawal might appear to be a "climb down" from a military point of view.

The British forces number approx. 3,000 on the island.

Another example of overkill?

Hi, Suetoniuspaulinus (interesting name). Even though I'm pro-TRNC independence, I don't think highly of such a large amount of Turkish troops stationed in the north of Cyprus, but I can see your point about a perceived 'climb-down' should a large portion of Turkish forces be withdrawn. The addage 'give and inch and they'll take a mile' is probably on the minds of the Turkish General Staff. Influencing TRNC politics by their presence is another concern. It all makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. Self-determination under those circumstances is rather problematical.

By the way, any settlement should also involve the British ceding the SBA's.

All in good time Expat..I have already explained the reason and whether or not Turkey is in striking distance, if things escalate even a little, which the "RoC" will make sure they do if it gets the chance, then ANY movement by Turkey will have to be endorsed by the UN and the EU and that is what we cannot afford....My brother in law can remember the days when they stood by and watched as TCs were being killed and they sat about trying to pass resolutions to act......I, and I am sure all TCs are much happier that they are there. When a solution comes then they will go. Just because he "RoC" yell occupation doesn't make it so....We have been yelling "Highjack of the Cyprus Republic" and they don't want to see it either....