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[denizaksulu]

I can’t for the life of me understand why there’s STILL a small minority of Turks living in Greece or the small minority of Greeks living in Turkey! I hardly think that a handful of people, who are obviously in the wrong place, should be allowed to be the reason for so much trouble between the two countries.

A citizen exchange program should be established between the two countries that properly exchanges and relocates citizens under the guidance of the UN.

I see no reason why millions from both countries should be put through so much trouble for the sake of a handful of fools who refuse to allow common sense to prevail!

Where does that sort of democracy appear in the annals of democracy then GR???

Stop it Zan, they invented it (democracy), they can change its meaning whenever/however they want. Dont be such a spoil sport.

GetReal is not a Greek so he gets no credit for inventing democracy, and he's certainly not allowed to twist its meaning

Sometimes , for some reason I think he is a demi-Greek. He hangs on to Hellenism as it suits him, then reverts back to being Cypriot. A chameleon kind of character, wouldnt you say?

[alexISS]

Sometimes , for some reason I think he is a demi-Greek. He hangs on to Hellenism as it suits him, then reverts back to being Cypriot. A chameleon kind of character, wouldnt you say?

I would say that the Greek elements in him are still there simply because he hasn't yet realized they're Greek. I wouldn't say he's a chameleon, he has painted himself a new colour but there are still many blue spots on his back where he can't see them

[denizaksulu]

I wonder what we get from Democracy in Greece or Turkey ......

Nothing ......

Our problem is only Cyprus problem .......

how we can build up the bridges between TC's and GC's ..... İt is easy to hijaking the Cyprus problem ... just waisting our times on someting else which is none of our business at all .

I agree, Eric and Alexis should take their Greece Vs Turkey's undesirables to the general politics section where it belongs and fight it out...

GR, these threads are not Greece Vs Turkey. They are Turkey Vs Cyprus. These shit stirers (Eric and Zan) just enjoy rubbing salt in our wounds and are hell bent on spreading mis-information about the barbarian Greeks and barbarian GCs. There favourite catch cry is the so called Greek Genocide of TCs. All to promote Taksim!

Do you not agree that these backward hypocrites need to be countered?

As far as I'm concerned both Greeks and Turks are barbarians!

Only Cypriots are civilized and should one day claim both territories of Greece and Turkey!

One thing I'll no longer do is fight Greece's battles so no more freebies Alexis…

Forgive me if I am wrong. The RoC is an independant and sovereign nation recognised by the whole world except Turkey. Greece has no or very little influence in The RoC. There is a Joint Defence Doctrine but what else do you expect when there are 40,000 occupation troops on Cyprus. Greece has a mere 1,000 ELDYK troops. The "trnc" is basically a Turkish province.

So from whom must the Cypriots claim their territories?

Do not tell me that you are one of those Cypriots that finds it fashionable to citicise Greece for no apparent reason. You may say that they are the ones that attempted a coup against Makarios in 1974. I will tell you that it is the Cypriots that are to blame for the coup. Why, because some Cypriots wanted it and asked Greece for it. Greece just acted on it's self interest under the circumstances.

Please can I hear from more REAL Cypriots?

[denizaksulu]

As far as I'm concerned both Greeks and Turks are barbarians!

Only Cypriots are civilized and should one day claim both territories of Greece and Turkey!

One thing I'll no longer do is fight Greece's battles so no more freebies Alexis…

GetReal, I've asked you this before but you didn't reply (or you did and I missed it):
How do you manage to reconcile your love and support for Tassos Papadopoulos with your anti-Greek sentiment? Papadopoulos has repeatedly declared himself the defender of Cypriot Hellenism and he has certainly asked Greece to help fight Cyprus's battles (even though you personally refuse to do the same )

The reason is that GR does not back losers. I think he will be supporting Buyukanit given the chance. Just to put the new presidents nose out of joint.

[Tim Drayton]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

[Viewpoint]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

[Tim Drayton]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

[Nikitas]

Istanbul is the most known case of recent ethnic cleansing by the Turkish authorities.

Far worse is the case of the islands of Imvros and Tenedos, where the population was totally Greek. After the most perverse practices of ethnic cleansing less than 200 people remain on these islands. At least in Istanbul there was the excuse that the non Turks were a minority with probable hostile intent etc. In Imvros and Tenedos the tactics did not have even this flimsy excuse.

[karma]

Istanbul is the most known case of recent ethnic cleansing by the Turkish authorities.

Far worse is the case of the islands of Imvros and Tenedos, where the population was totally Greek. After the most perverse practices of ethnic cleansing less than 200 people remain on these islands. At least in Istanbul there was the excuse that the non Turks were a minority with probable hostile intent etc. In Imvros and Tenedos the tactics did not have even this flimsy excuse.

and even worse is the open prison of Imvros, as if there is no other place all over the country, what a shame

[Get Real!]

Deniz and alexISS…

With such an onslaught by your newfound partnership what chances do I have?

Two great minds poking a skewer into the very fabric of my makeup…

I raise a white flag, and remind you of my human rights…