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JEWISH FOUNDERS OF THE SECULAR REGIME IN TURKEY

Postby irresistible » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:18 am

The following is from the remarkable book "The Secret Jews" which was authored by Dr. Joachim Prinz in 1973 (publisher: Random House).

Page 122:

"..The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent 'doenmehs' [Jew]. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh' background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna."


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More info:

http://M-Kemal.blogspot.com

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Postby Big Al » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:27 am

do you know where elvis is living too??
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Postby tessintrnc » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:45 am

Big Al wrote:do you know where elvis is living too??


I do!!! He sells fish and chips on Southend sea front! :wink:

But back on topic, didn't our Aiden bring up the "Jewish connection" a while ago?
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:54 am

tessintrnc wrote:
Big Al wrote:do you know where elvis is living too??


I do!!! He sells fish and chips on Southend sea front! :wink:

But back on topic, didn't our Aiden bring up the "Jewish connection" a while ago?
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Nobody has provided concrete proof. Still it does not detract from the fact of the mans achievements. It is all the donme who have created the Ottoman empire and ruled it. So what.

MK had many enemies and detractors. They would 'prove' anything to discredit him.
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Postby tessintrnc » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:11 am

Very true Deniz, I have read a few books about his life and achievements and thought the tribute he gave to the dead at Gallipoli was especially moving:

"There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent your sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land, they have become our sons as well."


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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:15 am

tessintrnc wrote:Very true Deniz, I have read a few books about his life and achievements and thought the tribute he gave to the dead at Gallipoli was especially moving:

"There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent your sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land, they have become our sons as well."


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Reading the link I had a great laugh when I came across proof of his Jewishness.

The jewish eporter who allegedly interviewed MKemal, begins his narrative (MKemals confession) by stating he was under the influence of Arrack (Raki/Ouzo).

That says a lot. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I know the Lords prayer, naturally that makes me a Christian. :roll:
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Postby tessintrnc » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:23 am

:lol:

Not the awful Cliff Richard version I hope :shock:
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:25 am

tessintrnc wrote::lol:

Not the awful Cliff Richard version I hope :shock:



Oh, PLEASE.

Even my wife has gone off him. :roll:
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Re: JEWISH FOUNDERS OF THE SECULAR REGIME IN TURKEY

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:31 am

irresistible wrote:The following is from the remarkable book "The Secret Jews" which was authored by Dr. Joachim Prinz in 1973 (publisher: Random House).

Page 122:

"..The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent 'doenmehs' [Jew]. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh' background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna."


Interesting video:




More info:

http://M-Kemal.blogspot.com

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The Turkish word "dönme" derives from the verb "dönmek" meaning "to turn" and refers to one who has converted to Islam from any other religion. The Redhouse dictionary does state that if spelt with a capital letter then it refers to "a member of a Jewish community who were converted to Islam in the 17th century." If this is what the author of this book means, he should have been careful about capitalisation. If, however, he does specifically wish to imply that Mustafa Kemal, born in 1881, traces his descent back to Jews who converted to Islam in the 1600's, then what is his point? This would not make him any less of a Muslim than any other Turks living in Thessaloniki at the time.

In fact, what is an "ardent doenmeh [sic]"? Since a dönme is one who has converted to Islam, an ardent dönme would thus be an ardent follower of Islam. Anybody with the slightest knowledge of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's life and works would know that he was informed by a very different ideology, and had little time for religion.

This little blooper on its own is enough to cast doubt on the validity of the whole book. As Deniz says, who cares if Mustafa Kemal came from a Muslim or Jewish background anyhow. It is the great service that he has done for his country that counts.
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Postby zan » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:48 am

Well said Tim...


Has anybody read this controversial book....Bloody Jews get everywhere.. :wink: :lol:



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