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[Muzzy70]

There is general agreement among many Turkish Cypriots that I know that the T/C delegation at Buergenstock made a fatal error of judgement during the negotiations in not having a 'plan B' in the event of a G/C rejection of the Annan Plan. A main point here was the political ineptitude of Mehmet Ali Talat along with the deluded EU opinion that the G/C's would inevitably vote in favour of the plan. It is inconceivable that the T/C's left Buergenstock without any guarantees as to their future, but this is exactly what the T/C delegation allowed to happen. My guess is that this mistake will not be allowed to happen again by the T/C delegation in the event of any failure concerning the upcoming negotiations.

[Piratis]

The "plan B" is written in "plan A": That if the Annan plan is rejected, then it becomes null and void, and therefore what remains the one and only legal thing in Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus as agreed in 1959.

What exactly did you want? That after "plan A" gave you the 95% of what you wanted, there should also have been a "plan B" that would give you the 100%?

You are not going to get the "solution" that you want which is partition with the legalization of your illegal occupation of our lands, and better come into terms with this reality. Either you will be sensible enough to negotiate a solution that will be acceptable to Greek Cypriots, the overwhelming majority of the population of this island, or you will continue to enforce what you want illegally and face the consequences of your crimes.

[alexISS]

And in what way were the TCs "punished" each time Denktash rejected a solution proposal or refused to negotiate? It took Turkey 30 years to accept there is a Cyprus problem to begin with, and now that it has agreed to negotiate you expect the Greek Cypriots to either accept the first proposal given to them or have their country legally partitioned?

[iceman]

The fatal mistake was refusing the referandum in Copenhagen in December 2002!!
Thanks to Denktas ,ROC was given the go ahead to enter EU without any referandum!!
Had the Turkish side had not refuse holding the referandum on both sides,the GC side would have refused EU as well as refusing the proposed UN plan.

[halil]

The fatal mistake was refusing the referandum in Copenhagen in December 2002!!
Thanks to Denktas ,ROC was given the go ahead to enter EU without any referandum!!
Had the Turkish side had not refuse holding the referandum on both sides,the GC side would have refused EU as well as refusing the proposed UN plan.

Exactly İceman ,
they must thanks to Baba Denktash all the time

[alexISS]

The fatal mistake was refusing the referandum in Copenhagen in December 2002!!
Thanks to Denktas ,ROC was given the go ahead to enter EU without any referandum!!
Had the Turkish side had not refuse holding the referandum on both sides,the GC side would have refused EU as well as refusing the proposed UN plan.

Exactly İceman ,
they must thanks to Baba Denktash all the time

And Bayrak that supported him all the way

[Kifeas]

The fatal mistake was refusing the referandum in Copenhagen in December 2002!!
Thanks to Denktas ,ROC was given the go ahead to enter EU without any referandum!!
Had the Turkish side had not refuse holding the referandum on both sides,the GC side would have refused EU as well as refusing the proposed UN plan.

Yes iceman, but at that time it was Anan plan II, which was much more balanced and thus more acceptable by the GCs -even though incomplete, than the last version which shifted in favor of the Turkish positions so provocatively!

[Muzzy70]

Once again a thread descends into farce ! Again we have G/C's going on about 'majority' poulation(s) etc, etc. Wake up to the fact that Cyprus is for all Cypriots!

A correction Iceman. The Annan Plan which was on the table at Copenhagen was far less favourable to the T/C community than the one which was put to a referendum. The G/C's were always a shoe in for EU membership.

Piratis & Alexiss: Try and be rational fellas. Any failure concerning the upcoming talks WILL result in a T/C referendum for that community to decide it's own fate. There has been no solution to the Cyprus 'problem' for so long now because there was never the will for compromise on the part of both communities. Hopefully this will change but the biggest obstacle to a solution is the clear G/C refusal to accept the T/C's as political equals and a total unwillingness to share power. That, dear friends, is why the Annan Plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriot community. You either accept us or you don't. If you don't then unfortunately the division WILL be permanent.

[boomerang]

Once again a thread descends into farce ! Again we have G/C's going on about 'majority' poulation(s) etc, etc. Wake up to the fact that Cyprus is for all Cypriots!

A correction Iceman. The Annan Plan which was on the table at Copenhagen was far less favourable to the T/C community than the one which was put to a referendum. The G/C's were always a shoe in for EU membership.

Piratis & Alexiss: Try and be rational fellas. Any failure concerning the upcoming talks WILL result in a T/C referendum for that community to decide it's own fate. There has been no solution to the Cyprus 'problem' for so long now because there was never the will for compromise on the part of both communities. Hopefully this will change but the biggest obstacle to a solution is the clear G/C refusal to accept the T/C's as political equals and a total unwillingness to share power. That, dear friends, is why the Annan Plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriot community. You either accept us or you don't. If you don't then unfortunately the division WILL be permanent.

So its my way or the highway then according to your logic...2 was not good enough for me but thats ok...5 is good for me so fuck you...now i want partition...

and your side order with this is?

[alexISS]

There has been no solution to the Cyprus 'problem' for so long now because there was never the will for compromise on the part of both communities

How could you possibly know that, your guy Denktash never negotiated! There has been no solution for so many years because Turkey kept repeating "problem solved in 1974". Guess what, it's time to get a taste of your own medicine, you rush for a solution because Turkey wants to enter the EU and the RoC takes its time because, well, it can afford to