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[brother]

Hang on a moment, i have many members in my family married with GC and lots of first cousins who are half tc and half gc or otherwise as i see it full cypriots.
What you are babbling on about VP is a honest opinion but a very caveman way of thinking, i hope your kids do exactly what you do not want them to do and marry anything but tc.

[Viewpoint]

garbitsch you are right I did say that. dont get your point??

brother

i hope your kids do exactly what you do not want them to do and marry anything but tc.

No chance, ones already engaged to a TC .

Most people say they dont mind but when it comes to the cruch and they were faced with this problem they would not want theeir children to marry GC lime me like talat like garbitsch. there are many people out there that think like me

[erolz]

Most people say they dont mind but when it comes to the cruch and they were faced with this problem they would not want theeir children to marry GC lime me like talat like garbitsch. there are many people out there that think like me

Yet another example that the 'majority' are not always right simply because they are a majority then (which I am not convinced is the case on this issue anyway) - even in a democracy

I do not have children btw.

I am the product of a 'mixed race' marriage myself.

I miss Insan's old habit of posting song lyrics so in memory of such

Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red indian boy
Oh like a curly latin kinkies
Oh lordy, lordy, mixed with yellow chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all it’s got
And keep it stirring for
A hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Rabbis and the friars
Vishnus and the gurus
We got the beatles or the sun god
Well it really doesn’t matter
What religion you choose
And be thankful little mrs. graceful
You know that livin’ could be tasteful
We should all get together in a lovin machine
I think I’ll call up the queen
It’ s only fair that she knows, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all it’s got
And keep it stirring for
A hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Coffee coloured people
Coffee coloured people
Coffee coloured people by the score

[turkcyp]

Metecyp,

I also do not think that Talat need to be acting like unifier,

He needs to be acting like he is representing the TC people. It is true that TC people want to live in peace with GCs on the same island. But this unification, or solution to Cyprus problem if you wish, should not come at any cost.

There is a degree of sacrifice TCs are willing to make to live in a united island, and beyond that degree they rather live as they live right now. (I am sure that is true for GCs as well) Plus no TC or GC want unification just because it is the right thing to do. The people who want unification on both sides wants it because it serves to their interest.

So the idea of any bicommunal talk between politicians is to find out that common ground where majority of both societies can agree on solution because it serves to the interest of the majority of both societies.

More and more I am doubting that that common area exists. So in a day where TC doubts about existence of that common area is increasing, unification is not the only option on this island. It never was, and it never will be the only option. It is one of the options that's all. So he should stop acting like unification is the only option that exists, and start acknowledging that other options exist also. I do not want my leader to engage him/herself into finding solution so deeply that he/she start acting like that is the only option and try to achieve it at any cost.

[erolz]

Plus no TC or GC want unification just because it is the right thing to do. The people who want unification on both sides wants it because it serves to their interest.

Well as far as I am a TC I want renuification exactly for this reason, because to me unity is better than seperation. I have no personal interests in unification beyond this. I already have EU citizenship and UK nationality. My income is all UK based. If anything reunification would mean some negative things for me personaly - increased development in the north, increased prices, increased tourism, increased environmental damage and pressures. If I were to 'vote' purely from self interest alone I would be anti reunification - and I am not. I do except that I am not necessarily represntative of anything but myself. However I would like to believe that even if GC and TC had no self interests in unification directly there would still be a strong will and desire for such from both communites simply because it's better to be united than divided. Maybe I am just a dreamer and optimist?

[turkcyp]

Erol,

I should say that you are not talking as a TC but as UK citizen who has all the benefits of unification already (not because of EU, but because your economic level is above the average TCs)

Plus let me also tell you how much I admire you for your position because I know ou shoudl be on eof the few British citizens in north Cyprus that favors unification. Majority of expats in north are dead against any kind of unification. That is my feeling of course, may be I am wrong who knows.(it won't bethe first time)

Take care,

[metecyp]

He needs to be acting like he is representing the TC people. It is true that TC people want to live in peace with GCs on the same island. But this unification, or solution to Cyprus problem if you wish, should not come at any cost.

I agree with most of what you said. I certainly agree that unification is not the only option but I think we're a little off track here. I was talking about how Talat's remarks might make a GC feel uncomfortable and as a leader who supposedly works for reunification, he should have been more careful. Then, you pointed out 2 things.

1- Talat should not act like a unifier but he should worry about representing TCs.
2- Reunification should not come at any cost.

I agree with the first statement that he should worry about representing TCs before anything else but at the same time, if he's a leader, he would be a step ahead of his community. Since we both agreed that intercommunal marriages in principle are good, he should have been more careful about dismissing something that is so obviously good. This shows lack of judgement and vision as a leader in my opinion.

As for the second statement of yours, I don't see the relation to the topic. The only relation might be, according to you, Talat/TCs approving intercommunal marriages is a cost on TCs in reunification which I don't understand. I'm not asking TCs to stop speaking Turkish and act like they're GCs for the sake of reunification. I'm not even saying that intercommunal marriages are necesssary for reunification. I'm just stating a simple fact: Intercommunal marriages can only be good for the island (except of course you think it'll pollute the pure TC race!)

[erolz]

Erol,

I should say that you are not talking as a TC but as UK citizen who has all the benefits of unification already (not because of EU, but because your economic level is above the average TCs)

That's my point. Personally I already have all the benefits of unification - yet I still wish for Cyprus simply on the basis that unity is better than division.

This does not mean I do not understand why for many TC the desire for unification is driven primarily by self interest concerns. If I had been born in the north and lived all my life here I have no doubt I would year for greater development and more income and the freedom to travel and see EU membership as a desriable goal in itself. I would still like to believe though that if every TC had all the advantages I do there would still be a strong desire for a unitied Cyprus from them.

Plus let me also tell you how much I admire you for your position because I know ou shoudl be on eof the few British citizens in north Cyprus that favors unification. Majority of expats in north are dead against any kind of unification. That is my feeling of course, may be I am wrong who knows.(it won't bethe first time)

No it is true that most expats are not in favour of unification. Partly due to concern for their own situation especially re the property they have bought and invested time money and emotions into but also because for many of them they came to Cyprus to 'escape' europe and development and the pursuit of money as the be all and end all of life and traffic jams and crime and stress and all the other 'blights' of a modern western lifestyle and they fear that a reunited Cyprus will destroy the very uniqueness that they found in north Cyprus and they are probably right to fear this consequence in many ways.

Take care,

and yourself

[Piratis]

Yet another example that the 'majority' are not always right simply because they are a majority then (which I am not convinced is the case on this issue anyway) - even in a democracy

Who said that the majority is always right and that democracy is perfect?

Modern day democracy is not just about "majority rule" but a combination of other components that make it the best system possible.

For example democracy includes freedom of speech. So Viewpoint can say that his race will be bastardized if intercommunal marriages happen, and I have the freedom of speech to reply and say that this is a racist view.

Then we also have human rights. So even if the 99% of people share the opinion of VP, they should not be able to enforce it to others because this would be against human rights.

Therefore:
Democracy + human rights = best possible.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis im only airing my honest opinion.