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IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

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DO YOU CONSIDER MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY?

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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:38 pm

Garavnoss wrote:
miltiades wrote:
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miltiades wrote:Do us all a favour, go and join the courageous jihadists and blow your stupid self up, you despicable piece of shit.
Off you go, and make sure you do it in a public place, rewards for perverts like you are awaiting.
What a disgusting piece of shit you are !


Now calm down old chap, read what is written and try to understand the words and their meaning, it may help you.

" the Jihadi fighters are demonstrating that the "Hornets Nest" has been disturbed and the buzzing will not cease until "Justice" prevails, those who have taken up the gauntlet thrown down before them are worthy of praise for their courage "
Is this what you want me to read you fucking psychopath ?
Shit like you do not deserve civil responses, so fuck off you sick bastard .


As expected, you are unable to free yourself from the confines of your addled brain, therefore you use offensive expressions to relieve the pressures that intelligent thoughts impose upon you, not an uncommon malady among those who have Deviant tendencies and in particular quite prevalent among Paedophiles and other Perverted characters.

The good news is that "Shock Treatment" is no longer seen as the best treatment, expert psychological help produces better results.

When was the last time you received treatment for your mental disorder ?
You are sick, now if you think that I would in anyway be inclined to enter a civil debate with you, then you are wrong. If I step on shit, I know its shit, just as I know that you are a psychopath, not being a medically qualified practitioner qualified to deal with your severe disorder, I revert to colloquial language that even complete idiots such as you can understand, so fuck off psycho, go blow your stupid self in Syria, your courageous hihadists mates are awaiting, you may even be lucky and indulge in some virgin fucking, you fucking pervert.
Piss off now, you are boring me GR.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:38 pm

I am sure that I have never encountered a person who is capable of such adamant insistence that their perceptions are correct.

With equal conviction I feel I should again inform you that I am NOT GR (presumably your arch enemy on forum, or some such) which renders your scurrilous attacks on that person absolutely outrageous since he (or she) is the innocent victim of such attacks.

Moreover, by so doing you place ME in the unenviable position of being party to your vile and unwarranted written assaults which, in turn, could result in the manifestation of ill-will twixt two innocent parties.

Precisely a tactic employed by politicians when they do not have a clear understanding of whatever their objectives are and ( certainly on a smaller scale) the format which resulted in many of the conflicts in the Middle East. (if you are able to visualize such probabilities).

I am obliged to apologize to GR, the abuse should only be directed at me, I can handle it.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:43 pm

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" Incidentally, I think it would require a great deal less courage to drop a bomb from a warplane than it would to detonate an explosive device strapped around one's waist."


Completely irrelevant and bogus comparison.

Pilots are trained to do a job. The job requires them to generally do things for the greater good. For instance, pilots are instructed to avoid civilian casualties.

to deliberately drop bombs knowing there are civilians, is a war crime, and a violation against engagement rules. pilots can bug out at any time if there is doubt.

A suicide bomber is just a crazed idiot who has been radicalized to such a point where they will kill themselves in order to kill many more civilians. They are not brave. Just idiots.

Pilots generally do not want to kill themselves or other innocent persons.

Anymore nonsense from Garos? :roll:



Deliberate lies perpetrated by the Bush/Blair administrations were the catalyst which sanctioned the "Shock and Awe" attack upon the sleeping population of Baghdad, it was assumed that such an attack would ((as did the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs upon Japan) force the Iraqi forces to capitulate.

The ploy did not work quite as planned and what we are now seeing is the direct result of the "Shock and Awe" tactics which did not produce quite the results expected.

The airborne attacks were cowardly and everyone knows it, the pilots who flew the missions could not possibly target anything other than civilians (mostly) and everyone (with a modicum of intelligence) knows it.

Every death in the Middle East that has occurred since that terrible onslaught (by whosoever and from whatever source) can surely be attributed to those actions UNLESS, we are prepared to believe that the purpose of the actions was to protect the general population
from bullying tyrants.

An interesting choice for the unfortunates who are now suffering, "Which BULLY do you prefer, the one who has held the country fast for many years or the one who has razed your cities and villages to the ground and murdered your countrymen by the millions?".

Every uprising since "Shock and Awe" is deeply rooted in it, the Jihadi fighters are demonstrating that the "Hornets Nest" has been disturbed and the buzzing will not cease until "Justice" prevails, those who have taken up the gauntlet thrown down before them are worthy of praise for their courage, it is a pure courage which does not exist in the breasts of their opponents who rely upon vastly superior military strength for their success, time will tell and the forces which oppose the oppression of US/UK/Israel and any other,
will teach them, even at the cost of their own lives, that the BULLY will always get his comeuppance.

We live in interesting times, the Western influenced populations are mostly sleeping, lulled into believing that their governments are acting on their behalf, whilst those of other regions are waking up to the realities of what has been done to them by the sleepers.

May Allah preserve us from the fury that awaits those who are oblivious to that which the "Scales of Justice" demand.


Shock and Awe was the term used in 1991 and in context it was to only imply that the regime would be hit where it did not expect to be hit and from weapons technologies that have not been used in anger before.

Things like Suddam's palaces were hit, government buildings of senior Government officials and so on. There was never any shock and awe against civilians.

And I would like to know the plan which did not go according to the script. Baghdad is not the place to go about killing civilians and try to keep it from the world.

The main objective was to liberate Kuwait. But they rattled Suddam's cage and that has a psychological objective against the regime and their military.

And Garos, you're the coward because all you can do is talk about the cowardice of Pilots from behind a keyboard and in complete anonimity. Oh yes my friend. Just remember next time you're on a flight sitting in your economy seat. Chances are your Captain was one of those cowards who once may have dropped bombs. Your life in their hands. :D

So sit back, relax and enjoy your flight!
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:57 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
" Incidentally, I think it would require a great deal less courage to drop a bomb from a warplane than it would to detonate an explosive device strapped around one's waist."


Completely irrelevant and bogus comparison.

Pilots are trained to do a job. The job requires them to generally do things for the greater good. For instance, pilots are instructed to avoid civilian casualties.

to deliberately drop bombs knowing there are civilians, is a war crime, and a violation against engagement rules. pilots can bug out at any time if there is doubt.

A suicide bomber is just a crazed idiot who has been radicalized to such a point where they will kill themselves in order to kill many more civilians. They are not brave. Just idiots.

Pilots generally do not want to kill themselves or other innocent persons.

Anymore nonsense from Garos? :roll:



Deliberate lies perpetrated by the Bush/Blair administrations were the catalyst which sanctioned the "Shock and Awe" attack upon the sleeping population of Baghdad, it was assumed that such an attack would ((as did the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs upon Japan) force the Iraqi forces to capitulate.

The ploy did not work quite as planned and what we are now seeing is the direct result of the "Shock and Awe" tactics which did not produce quite the results expected.

The airborne attacks were cowardly and everyone knows it, the pilots who flew the missions could not possibly target anything other than civilians (mostly) and everyone (with a modicum of intelligence) knows it.

Every death in the Middle East that has occurred since that terrible onslaught (by whosoever and from whatever source) can surely be attributed to those actions UNLESS, we are prepared to believe that the purpose of the actions was to protect the general population
from bullying tyrants.

An interesting choice for the unfortunates who are now suffering, "Which BULLY do you prefer, the one who has held the country fast for many years or the one who has razed your cities and villages to the ground and murdered your countrymen by the millions?".

Every uprising since "Shock and Awe" is deeply rooted in it, the Jihadi fighters are demonstrating that the "Hornets Nest" has been disturbed and the buzzing will not cease until "Justice" prevails, those who have taken up the gauntlet thrown down before them are worthy of praise for their courage, it is a pure courage which does not exist in the breasts of their opponents who rely upon vastly superior military strength for their success, time will tell and the forces which oppose the oppression of US/UK/Israel and any other,
will teach them, even at the cost of their own lives, that the BULLY will always get his comeuppance.

We live in interesting times, the Western influenced populations are mostly sleeping, lulled into believing that their governments are acting on their behalf, whilst those of other regions are waking up to the realities of what has been done to them by the sleepers.

May Allah preserve us from the fury that awaits those who are oblivious to that which the "Scales of Justice" demand.


Shock and Awe was the term used in 1991 and in context it was to only imply that the regime would be hit where it did not expect to be hit and from weapons technologies that have not been used in anger before.

Things like Suddam's palaces were hit, government buildings of senior Government officials and so on. There was never any shock and awe against civilians.

And I would like to know the plan which did not go according to the script. Baghdad is not the place to go about killing civilians and try to keep it from the world.

The main objective was to liberate Kuwait. But they rattled Suddam's cage and that has a psychological objective against the regime and their military.

And Garos, you're the coward because all you can do is talk about the cowardice of Pilots from behind a keyboard and in complete anonimity. Oh yes my friend. Just remember next time you're on a flight sitting in your economy seat. Chances are your Captain was one of those cowards who once may have dropped bombs. Your life in their hands. :D

So sit back, relax and enjoy your flight!



I must immediately protest, I NEVER fly economy class, how dare you offer such insult ?, disgraceful.

As to the rest of your responses to my post, you are obviously committed to uphold the opinions of those you consider to be the victors in the conflicts of the past, you are perfectly entitled to do so and your views will attract (have attracted) like-minded pundits of the art of deception in warfare.

Unfortunately, you seem to be unable to concede (as do those like-minded others) that terrible war crimes were committed in the furtherance of the many campaigns of destruction which attended the oppressive military actions of the Western forces.

You also seem to be unable to grasp the fact that the oppressed are entitled to retaliate and are doing so quite effectively, were they not, the Western powers would have achieved their objectives by now (which they have not) and the future is looking grim for them according to the latest bulletins.

Now that the forces of opposition to Western dictatorship (laughingly referred to as Democracy) have decided to rid themselves of the shackles imposed upon them, they have risen up in many regions of the world where the same brutal interference of Western powers is producing a society which is not wanted, is less respectable and in many ways inferior to that which existed prior to the interference.

The Jihadis wish to rid their lands of this Western dictatorship, they want revenge for the murderous injustices they have suffered, they are a determined force, increasing in strength and popularity wherever they advance or make a stand, they WILL prevail, make no mistake, the "Hornets " are a-stinging and you may be next to feel the pain of the barb.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:31 pm

Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
" Incidentally, I think it would require a great deal less courage to drop a bomb from a warplane than it would to detonate an explosive device strapped around one's waist."


Completely irrelevant and bogus comparison.

Pilots are trained to do a job. The job requires them to generally do things for the greater good. For instance, pilots are instructed to avoid civilian casualties.

to deliberately drop bombs knowing there are civilians, is a war crime, and a violation against engagement rules. pilots can bug out at any time if there is doubt.

A suicide bomber is just a crazed idiot who has been radicalized to such a point where they will kill themselves in order to kill many more civilians. They are not brave. Just idiots.

Pilots generally do not want to kill themselves or other innocent persons.

Anymore nonsense from Garos? :roll:



Deliberate lies perpetrated by the Bush/Blair administrations were the catalyst which sanctioned the "Shock and Awe" attack upon the sleeping population of Baghdad, it was assumed that such an attack would ((as did the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs upon Japan) force the Iraqi forces to capitulate.

The ploy did not work quite as planned and what we are now seeing is the direct result of the "Shock and Awe" tactics which did not produce quite the results expected.

The airborne attacks were cowardly and everyone knows it, the pilots who flew the missions could not possibly target anything other than civilians (mostly) and everyone (with a modicum of intelligence) knows it.

Every death in the Middle East that has occurred since that terrible onslaught (by whosoever and from whatever source) can surely be attributed to those actions UNLESS, we are prepared to believe that the purpose of the actions was to protect the general population
from bullying tyrants.

An interesting choice for the unfortunates who are now suffering, "Which BULLY do you prefer, the one who has held the country fast for many years or the one who has razed your cities and villages to the ground and murdered your countrymen by the millions?".

Every uprising since "Shock and Awe" is deeply rooted in it, the Jihadi fighters are demonstrating that the "Hornets Nest" has been disturbed and the buzzing will not cease until "Justice" prevails, those who have taken up the gauntlet thrown down before them are worthy of praise for their courage, it is a pure courage which does not exist in the breasts of their opponents who rely upon vastly superior military strength for their success, time will tell and the forces which oppose the oppression of US/UK/Israel and any other,
will teach them, even at the cost of their own lives, that the BULLY will always get his comeuppance.

We live in interesting times, the Western influenced populations are mostly sleeping, lulled into believing that their governments are acting on their behalf, whilst those of other regions are waking up to the realities of what has been done to them by the sleepers.

May Allah preserve us from the fury that awaits those who are oblivious to that which the "Scales of Justice" demand.


Shock and Awe was the term used in 1991 and in context it was to only imply that the regime would be hit where it did not expect to be hit and from weapons technologies that have not been used in anger before.

Things like Suddam's palaces were hit, government buildings of senior Government officials and so on. There was never any shock and awe against civilians.

And I would like to know the plan which did not go according to the script. Baghdad is not the place to go about killing civilians and try to keep it from the world.

The main objective was to liberate Kuwait. But they rattled Suddam's cage and that has a psychological objective against the regime and their military.

And Garos, you're the coward because all you can do is talk about the cowardice of Pilots from behind a keyboard and in complete anonimity. Oh yes my friend. Just remember next time you're on a flight sitting in your economy seat. Chances are your Captain was one of those cowards who once may have dropped bombs. Your life in their hands. :D

So sit back, relax and enjoy your flight!



I must immediately protest, I NEVER fly economy class, how dare you offer such insult ?, disgraceful.

As to the rest of your responses to my post, you are obviously committed to uphold the opinions of those you consider to be the victors in the conflicts of the past, you are perfectly entitled to do so and your views will attract (have attracted) like-minded pundits of the art of deception in warfare.

Unfortunately, you seem to be unable to concede (as do those like-minded others) that terrible war crimes were committed in the furtherance of the many campaigns of destruction which attended the oppressive military actions of the Western forces.

You also seem to be unable to grasp the fact that the oppressed are entitled to retaliate and are doing so quite effectively, were they not, the Western powers would have achieved their objectives by now (which they have not) and the future is looking grim for them according to the latest bulletins.

Now that the forces of opposition to Western dictatorship (laughingly referred to as Democracy) have decided to rid themselves of the shackles imposed upon them, they have risen up in many regions of the world where the same brutal interference of Western powers is producing a society which is not wanted, is less respectable and in many ways inferior to that which existed prior to the interference.

The Jihadis wish to rid their lands of this Western dictatorship, they want revenge for the murderous injustices they have suffered, they are a determined force, increasing in strength and popularity wherever they advance or make a stand, they WILL prevail, make no mistake, the "Hornets " are a-stinging and you may be next to feel the pain of the barb.


No I am not with the victors. On the odd occasion I am with the losers.

I support my country first and foremost without question but I also support that which I believe is right. The invasion of Kuwait was wrong. Do you agree? Kuwait was liberated. Therefore a good result for what I believe is just.

You mention war crimes. You are not the only one to do so and I am sure there will be many more accusations of war crimes against the coalition as they target DAESH in Syria and Iraq. Of course it is sad that many innocent people will be killed, the vast majority will be killed by the DAESH cutthroats. Inevitably, some may be killed by coalition aircraft.

However, the coalition undertakes extreme planning and the pilots practice risk reduction by following the rules of engagement. There is no desire to kill anyone except for the DAESH cutthroats. This war can end a lot quicker if Obama is prepared to send troops. It is being considered now.

You need to offer evidence and proof of any alleged war crimes. There have been a few cases which are being dealt with by military courts within the country you accuse the most which quite frankly speaks volumes about them and which was not forthcoming by Suddam's Military establishment from the rape and pillage of Kuwait itself.

If my country, was involved an an injustice, I will be critical in order to encourage change but I will continue to support it.

The USA is a trusted ally which my country can trust 100%.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:45 pm

You're also quite hypocritical.

You say that the USA wants to subjugate other cultures with its own inferior western poison. Well, Iraq and Syria have a dejure sovereignty which is being challenged as we speak by DAESH in their quest to form a Caliphate.

The west will not allow this to happen and any action to prevent this from occurring is in fact a defacto support for Iraq and Syria's territorial integrity. The coalition was in fact invited to assist them in Iraq and that was an official request made to the UN and many other countries like the USA and Australia. There are in fact 60 countries now in this coalition as a result.

The Assad regime has not made such an official request because there are diplomatic obstacles which prevent it. However, unnoficially, there have been many statements from the Assad regime which in fact indicate support for the intervention against DAESH. There are even statements by Assad, that America is not doing enough.

So there is in fact a recognition of both Iraq and Syria. Legally, no group can partition of seize any part of these countries and so a Caliphate has no legal grounding.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:13 pm

Anyone who refers to the be headers as courageous the savages who stick the removed heads on poles or give them to children to be used as footballs, invariably supports these barbarians beyond a shadow of a doubt. On this forum one such individual staunchly supports DAESH and jihadists wherever they may be.

On the Paris massacre this psychopath, YOU, had this to say for the murdered French . " GOOD RIDDANCE TO CRAP"

I don't give a toss who you are, as far as I'm concerned you deserve no civil interaction but utter contempt and disgust. Now Plonker. Jump on the first plane or boat and head top the direction of your heroes, you could play as a goalie but don't delay blowing your stupid self up.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:40 pm

Paphitis wrote:You're also quite hypocritical.

You say that the USA wants to subjugate other cultures with its own inferior western poison.


The manner in which you distort my comments (example above) is a cheap trick used by unscrupulous journalists whose intention is to present an objective (or opinion) but make it sound far less palatable. Congratulations, you have taken ten steps backwards.

As for the forming of a "Caliphate, I personally think it would be a bloody good idea for two main reasons.

1/. If it proved a success and the people were happy with it, it might be worth emulating and prove to be beneficial to us all.

2/. If a failure (or threat) The Yanks could easily deploy their super weapons and deliver another "Shock and Awe" killer attack.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:54 pm

Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You're also quite hypocritical.

You say that the USA wants to subjugate other cultures with its own inferior western poison.


The manner in which you distort my comments (example above) is a cheap trick used by unscrupulous journalists whose intention is to present an objective (or opinion) but make it sound far less palatable. Congratulations, you have taken ten steps backwards.

As for the forming of a "Caliphate, I personally think it would be a bloody good idea for two main reasons.

1/. If it proved a success and the people were happy with it, it might be worth emulating and prove to be beneficial to us all.

2/. If a failure (or threat) The Yanks could easily deploy their super weapons and deliver another "Shock and Awe" killer attack.


You're just anti American.

It does not matter what they do, you will be against them even if they are fighting genocidal cutthroats.

You're a despicable human being who doesn't give a damn about the carnage these cutthroat's are causing against innocent people in Syria and Iraq.

There is no point debating with you because you're not interested in any kind of balance which could be favourable to the U.S. in any way.

Did you ask the people to see whether they are in favour of a Caliphate? Is it possible the people are in fear of their life.

So you're in favour of the Caliphate. Well the rest of the world is not and the legitimate Iraqi Government and the regime in Syria have a right to defend their territorial integrity. We are helping them and we will not allow the Caliphate to succeed for the sake of other cultures which will possibly be wiped out.
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Re: IS MILTIADES A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:08 pm

I sussed this despicable malaka out quite a few posts ago.
GR IS the man, disguises himself well, psychopaths and schizophrenics generally do.

In reality I don't give a toss about such disgusting humans who openly and robustly support jihadists, savages, barbarians. I wish he would take my advice and head for Syria, he should put his shit where his mouth is.
Caliphate he says !!! What a fucking idiot :)
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