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[zan]

Off to work now...Seee ya later!!!

judging by his last post i guess this work is in a cafe in Amsterdam.

What are you insinuating now DT, that Zan is on Cannabis? I dont think so, not with his lung problem.

I hope he comes back and explains...I am dying to know.

[DT.]

Off to work now...Seee ya later!!!

judging by his last post i guess this work is in a cafe in Amsterdam.

What are you insinuating now DT, that Zan is on Cannabis? I dont think so, not with his lung problem.

I hope he comes back and explains...I am dying to know.

Sorry for the delay boys, it's simple really, that last response was so absurd I figured he was a little high.

[zan]

Off to work now...Seee ya later!!!

judging by his last post i guess this work is in a cafe in Amsterdam.

What are you insinuating now DT, that Zan is on Cannabis? I dont think so, not with his lung problem.

I hope he comes back and explains...I am dying to know.

Sorry for the delay boys, it's simple really, that last response was so absurd I figured he was a little high.

Is that the best you can do.....You have had two days to think about it and thats it!!!!

[DT.]

Off to work now...Seee ya later!!!

judging by his last post i guess this work is in a cafe in Amsterdam.

What are you insinuating now DT, that Zan is on Cannabis? I dont think so, not with his lung problem.

I hope he comes back and explains...I am dying to know.

Sorry for the delay boys, it's simple really, that last response was so absurd I figured he was a little high.

Is that the best you can do.....You have had two days to think about it and thats it!!!!

thought my first post about amsterdam was self explanatory. I shall deal with your issue head on if you feel insulted that i have not given it the due attention, I just didn;t think it warranted any attention.

[zan]

Off to work now...Seee ya later!!!

judging by his last post i guess this work is in a cafe in Amsterdam.

What are you insinuating now DT, that Zan is on Cannabis? I dont think so, not with his lung problem.

I hope he comes back and explains...I am dying to know.

Sorry for the delay boys, it's simple really, that last response was so absurd I figured he was a little high.

Is that the best you can do.....You have had two days to think about it and thats it!!!!

thought my first post about amsterdam was self explanatory. I shall deal with your issue head on if you feel insulted that i have not given it the due attention, I just didn;t think it warranted any attention.

Please do!!!

[DT.]

[Fact: all Cypriots were happy that help was forthcoming Internationally, and that Turkey, as a Guarantor could act to restore our State, as a result of a coup.

.... Really? What evidence is there for your multi-statement, RW ....

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

This resoluiton was carried out between the 2 invasions. You have broken article 7 which calls for the gaurantee of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

Your attempts at legalising an ongoing invasion and occupation of half the island and our homes is pathetic.

Two different issues my friend and how long after did Athens accept the decision????

You're not being clear here. WHat decision did Athens accept? The resolution? How was acceptance deemed?

The point that you are making is still under discussion.....When there is a legitimate and fair government of the whole of Cyprus then and only then can the island be handed back to anyone. Over 40 years of rejections and games by you have kept Turkey on the island and the constant threat of attack from you moving troops to the front line whenever there was a chance that the sabotage of Turkey might give you the chance to finish what you started in 1963!!!!

Actually the point I am making is not up for discussion. The entire world, the UN, the EU, Russia, the US and a large number of prgressive TC writers and journalists have accepted that the invasion and occupation is an illegal one. Now if your grounds for declaring something "under discussion" are that YOU"RE still talking about it then fair enough to you.

The rest of the world has stopped discussing this point and has declared the invasion and occupation illegal. (Don't make me list UN resolutions) The only grounds that existed for any legality to have taken place is if Turkey intervened to overthrow Sampson. COnsidering the coup ended after the first invasion and the Greeks and GC's were discussing a return to the 1960 constitution as stated in the Treaty of Gaurantee....Turkey was discussing the Gunes Plan.

A NEW constitution and a new government. It was clear that the strategy changed thanks to the Turkish troops on the ground in Cyprus. Taksim a life long dream of TC's was now possible and Turkey was not going to back down. Fact was that the Gunes plan immediately showed the world how Turkey broke the Treaty of Gaurantee. When talks were in progress to re-instate the 1960 agreements (as called by the Treaty of Gaurantee) and Turkey launched another wave of invasion and occupation then some people would congratulate you for having the balls and the cannabis in your system to insist that the invasion and occupation is a legal one.

Fasil Kucuk declared it in 1957! TMT fought for it and Turkey enforced it. A well thought out plan.

Now do you see why I thought you were high?

[zan]

[Fact: all Cypriots were happy that help was forthcoming Internationally, and that Turkey, as a Guarantor could act to restore our State, as a result of a coup.

.... Really? What evidence is there for your multi-statement, RW ....

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

This resoluiton was carried out between the 2 invasions. You have broken article 7 which calls for the gaurantee of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

Your attempts at legalising an ongoing invasion and occupation of half the island and our homes is pathetic.

Two different issues my friend and how long after did Athens accept the decision????

You're not being clear here. WHat decision did Athens accept? The resolution? How was acceptance deemed?

The point that you are making is still under discussion.....When there is a legitimate and fair government of the whole of Cyprus then and only then can the island be handed back to anyone. Over 40 years of rejections and games by you have kept Turkey on the island and the constant threat of attack from you moving troops to the front line whenever there was a chance that the sabotage of Turkey might give you the chance to finish what you started in 1963!!!!

Actually the point I am making is not up for discussion. The entire world, the UN, the EU, Russia, the US and a large number of prgressive TC writers and journalists have accepted that the invasion and occupation is an illegal one. Now if your grounds for declaring something "under discussion" are that YOU"RE still talking about it then fair enough to you.

The rest of the world has stopped discussing this point and has declared the invasion and occupation illegal. (Don't make me list UN resolutions) The only grounds that existed for any legality to have taken place is if Turkey intervened to overthrow Sampson. COnsidering the coup ended after the first invasion and the Greeks and GC's were discussing a return to the 1960 constitution as stated in the Treaty of Gaurantee....Turkey was discussing the Gunes Plan.

A NEW constitution and a new government. It was clear that the strategy changed thanks to the Turkish troops on the ground in Cyprus. Taksim a life long dream of TC's was now possible and Turkey was not going to back down. Fact was that the Gunes plan immediately showed the world how Turkey broke the Treaty of Gaurantee. When talks were in progress to re-instate the 1960 agreements (as called by the Treaty of Gaurantee) and Turkey launched another wave of invasion and occupation then some people would congratulate you for having the balls and the cannabis in your system to insist that the invasion and occupation is a legal one.

Fasil Kucuk declared it in 1957! TMT fought for it and Turkey enforced it. A well thought out plan.

Now do you see why I thought you were high?

You are trying too hard DT

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

In its decision No. 2658/79 dated March 21, 1979 it held that:"The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor Powers, had the right to fulfill her obligations. The real culprits…are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention."


The rest of the resolution took the fait acmpli of the GC government and had no room to maneuver. A well planned and executed extremist move designed by Tpap way back when. The Akritas plan was a two edged sword both aimed at the TCs. If the plan of getting us out of government did not work then the murders would. Antagonising TCs and calling it "inter-communal fighting" so that the UN had no choice but to recognise the only people in government with GC armed guards outside the government building stopping TCs getting in and causing chaos all over the island with attacks.

[DT.]

[Fact: all Cypriots were happy that help was forthcoming Internationally, and that Turkey, as a Guarantor could act to restore our State, as a result of a coup.

.... Really? What evidence is there for your multi-statement, RW ....

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

This resoluiton was carried out between the 2 invasions. You have broken article 7 which calls for the gaurantee of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

Your attempts at legalising an ongoing invasion and occupation of half the island and our homes is pathetic.

Two different issues my friend and how long after did Athens accept the decision????

You're not being clear here. WHat decision did Athens accept? The resolution? How was acceptance deemed?

The point that you are making is still under discussion.....When there is a legitimate and fair government of the whole of Cyprus then and only then can the island be handed back to anyone. Over 40 years of rejections and games by you have kept Turkey on the island and the constant threat of attack from you moving troops to the front line whenever there was a chance that the sabotage of Turkey might give you the chance to finish what you started in 1963!!!!

Actually the point I am making is not up for discussion. The entire world, the UN, the EU, Russia, the US and a large number of prgressive TC writers and journalists have accepted that the invasion and occupation is an illegal one. Now if your grounds for declaring something "under discussion" are that YOU"RE still talking about it then fair enough to you.

The rest of the world has stopped discussing this point and has declared the invasion and occupation illegal. (Don't make me list UN resolutions) The only grounds that existed for any legality to have taken place is if Turkey intervened to overthrow Sampson. COnsidering the coup ended after the first invasion and the Greeks and GC's were discussing a return to the 1960 constitution as stated in the Treaty of Gaurantee....Turkey was discussing the Gunes Plan.

A NEW constitution and a new government. It was clear that the strategy changed thanks to the Turkish troops on the ground in Cyprus. Taksim a life long dream of TC's was now possible and Turkey was not going to back down. Fact was that the Gunes plan immediately showed the world how Turkey broke the Treaty of Gaurantee. When talks were in progress to re-instate the 1960 agreements (as called by the Treaty of Gaurantee) and Turkey launched another wave of invasion and occupation then some people would congratulate you for having the balls and the cannabis in your system to insist that the invasion and occupation is a legal one.

Fasil Kucuk declared it in 1957! TMT fought for it and Turkey enforced it. A well thought out plan.

Now do you see why I thought you were high?

You are trying too hard DT

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

In its decision No. 2658/79 dated March 21, 1979 it held that:"The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor Powers, had the right to fulfill her obligations. The real culprits…are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention."


The rest of the resolution took the fait acmpli of the GC government and had no room to maneuver. A well planned and executed extremist move designed by Tpap way back when. The Akritas plan was a two edged sword both aimed at the TCs. If the plan of getting us out of government did not work then the murders would. Antagonising TCs and calling it "inter-communal fighting" so that the UN had no choice but to recognise the only people in government with GC armed guards outside the government building stopping TCs getting in and causing chaos all over the island with attacks.

Zan for ffs please stop making a pest of yourself and read the Treaty of Gaurantee and what it should uphold. The High Court of Athens who was condemning the junta of Athens at the time did indeed find the first invasion in line with the treaty of gaurantee. What you are trying to do however is beneath even your tactics. The 2nd Turkish invasion which took over 37% of the islands territory was contrary to the Treaty of Gaurantee. The continued occupation of the island is contrary to the Treaty of Gaurantee

ARTICLE II
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of
the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise
and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the
Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic
Articles of its Constitution.


Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so
far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly,
either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing
Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by
the present Treaty.

I've already posted what the EU concil resolution stated and since it was issued between the 2 invasions Turkey did not heed the resolution when it called for THE SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF CYPRUS TO BE PROTECTED

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

[zan]

[Fact: all Cypriots were happy that help was forthcoming Internationally, and that Turkey, as a Guarantor could act to restore our State, as a result of a coup.

.... Really? What evidence is there for your multi-statement, RW ....

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

This resoluiton was carried out between the 2 invasions. You have broken article 7 which calls for the gaurantee of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

Your attempts at legalising an ongoing invasion and occupation of half the island and our homes is pathetic.

Two different issues my friend and how long after did Athens accept the decision????

You're not being clear here. WHat decision did Athens accept? The resolution? How was acceptance deemed?

The point that you are making is still under discussion.....When there is a legitimate and fair government of the whole of Cyprus then and only then can the island be handed back to anyone. Over 40 years of rejections and games by you have kept Turkey on the island and the constant threat of attack from you moving troops to the front line whenever there was a chance that the sabotage of Turkey might give you the chance to finish what you started in 1963!!!!

Actually the point I am making is not up for discussion. The entire world, the UN, the EU, Russia, the US and a large number of prgressive TC writers and journalists have accepted that the invasion and occupation is an illegal one. Now if your grounds for declaring something "under discussion" are that YOU"RE still talking about it then fair enough to you.

The rest of the world has stopped discussing this point and has declared the invasion and occupation illegal. (Don't make me list UN resolutions) The only grounds that existed for any legality to have taken place is if Turkey intervened to overthrow Sampson. COnsidering the coup ended after the first invasion and the Greeks and GC's were discussing a return to the 1960 constitution as stated in the Treaty of Gaurantee....Turkey was discussing the Gunes Plan.

A NEW constitution and a new government. It was clear that the strategy changed thanks to the Turkish troops on the ground in Cyprus. Taksim a life long dream of TC's was now possible and Turkey was not going to back down. Fact was that the Gunes plan immediately showed the world how Turkey broke the Treaty of Gaurantee. When talks were in progress to re-instate the 1960 agreements (as called by the Treaty of Gaurantee) and Turkey launched another wave of invasion and occupation then some people would congratulate you for having the balls and the cannabis in your system to insist that the invasion and occupation is a legal one.

Fasil Kucuk declared it in 1957! TMT fought for it and Turkey enforced it. A well thought out plan.

Now do you see why I thought you were high?

You are trying too hard DT

The legitimacy of the Turkish intervention was also confirmed, among others, by the Council of Europe Resolution 573 (1974) and even by the Athens Court of Appeal.

In its decision No. 2658/79 dated March 21, 1979 it held that:"The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor Powers, had the right to fulfill her obligations. The real culprits…are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention."


The rest of the resolution took the fait acmpli of the GC government and had no room to maneuver. A well planned and executed extremist move designed by Tpap way back when. The Akritas plan was a two edged sword both aimed at the TCs. If the plan of getting us out of government did not work then the murders would. Antagonising TCs and calling it "inter-communal fighting" so that the UN had no choice but to recognise the only people in government with GC armed guards outside the government building stopping TCs getting in and causing chaos all over the island with attacks.

Zan for ffs please stop making a pest of yourself and read the Treaty of Gaurantee and what it should uphold. The High Court of Athens who was condemning the junta of Athens at the time did indeed find the first invasion in line with the treaty of gaurantee. What you are trying to do however is beneath even your tactics. The 2nd Turkish invasion which took over 37% of the islands territory was contrary to the Treaty of Gaurantee. The continued occupation of the island is contrary to the Treaty of Gaurantee

ARTICLE II
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of
the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise
and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the
Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic
Articles of its Constitution.


Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so
far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly,
either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing
Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by
the present Treaty.

I've already posted what the EU concil resolution stated and since it was issued between the 2 invasions Turkey did not heed the resolution when it called for THE SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF CYPRUS TO BE PROTECTED

7. Calls upon the signatory states to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
security of Cyprus, including an improved status, guaranteeing the security and the rights
of the Turkish community, as well as the political independence of a democratically
governed Cyprus, as laid down when Cyprus became independent in 1960

What you have posted amounts to nothing my friend...It doesn't explain what was going on and why the talks failed and why the decision was made in 1979 and not "Between the two interventions"....Half the story does not explain it.

I think it is you that needs to read the constitution and ask why Makarios did not want to go back to it in full and why in between the intervention the Gcs were reenforcing there positions whilst talks were going on which forced Turkey to act.

[RAFAELLA]

Wasting you time again DT?!