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[denizaksulu]

Flag used by Greek guerrillas (1821-1829)



Interesting similarities!

The revolutionary motto: ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ = Freedom or Death.

This flag was used by the Greek guerrillas against the Ottoman occupation during the Independence war (1821-1829).

Why did the Cypriots not mount a similar campaign against the Ottomans? The Cypriots outnumbered the Ottomans almost fivefold even then!

Where have the Cypriots gone wrong?

Easy answer. They were happy.

If they were so happy, why did you assert that they turned towards Enosis with Greece since that time?

Isn't it more likely that the forewarned Ottomans over-reacted so much by killing the priests and figureheads of Cyprus and annexing Cyprus to Egypt, that they managed to hold on until Britain relieved them of their "charges"?

Unfortunately the said priests acted improperly. You know the details. Or do you wish me to furnish details. 1821 has a lot to answer for.

[Oracle]

Flag used by Greek guerrillas (1821-1829)



Interesting similarities!

The revolutionary motto: ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ = Freedom or Death.

This flag was used by the Greek guerrillas against the Ottoman occupation during the Independence war (1821-1829).

Why did the Cypriots not mount a similar campaign against the Ottomans? The Cypriots outnumbered the Ottomans almost fivefold even then!

Where have the Cypriots gone wrong?

Easy answer. They were happy.

If they were so happy, why did you assert that they turned towards Enosis with Greece since that time?

Isn't it more likely that the forewarned Ottomans over-reacted so much by killing the priests and figureheads of Cyprus and annexing Cyprus to Egypt, that they managed to hold on until Britain relieved them of their "charges"?

Unfortunately the said priests acted improperly. You know the details. Or do you wish me to furnish details. 1821 has a lot to answer for.

Go ahead Deniz!

Supply some credible evidence (a milestone for you) to justify the happiness you exude, at the "preemptive" mass-slaughter of these people by the Ottomans, in order that they could continue their reign of terror, and halt any attempts by Cypriots to regain their Freedom!

[denizaksulu]

Flag used by Greek guerrillas (1821-1829)



Interesting similarities!

The revolutionary motto: ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ = Freedom or Death.

This flag was used by the Greek guerrillas against the Ottoman occupation during the Independence war (1821-1829).

Why did the Cypriots not mount a similar campaign against the Ottomans? The Cypriots outnumbered the Ottomans almost fivefold even then!

Where have the Cypriots gone wrong?

Easy answer. They were happy.

If they were so happy, why did you assert that they turned towards Enosis with Greece since that time?

Isn't it more likely that the forewarned Ottomans over-reacted so much by killing the priests and figureheads of Cyprus and annexing Cyprus to Egypt, that they managed to hold on until Britain relieved them of their "charges"?

Unfortunately the said priests acted improperly. You know the details. Or do you wish me to furnish details. 1821 has a lot to answer for.

Go ahead Deniz!

Supply some credible evidence (a milestone for you) to justify the happiness you exude, at the "preemptive" mass-slaughter of these people by the Ottomans, in order that they could continue their reign of terror, and halt any attempts by Cypriots to regain their Freedom!

As you pointed out, these attempts to gain 'their freedom' was seen as trechery and treasonous' by the then administration. They met the fate of all who betrayed their Ottomanism. Ottomans they were. The treatmrent was harsh to say the least. At the time there was only one way to deal with situations like this. I need not furnish 'credible' evidence as your words indicated the cause already. Thats the way it was. I would not condone those punishments, but can we turn the pages of history back?

[Oracle]

As you pointed out, these attempts to gain 'their freedom' was seen as trechery and treasonous' by the then administration. They met the fate of all who betrayed their Ottomanism. Ottomans they were. The treatmrent was harsh to say the least. At the time there was only one way to deal with situations like this. I need not furnish 'credible' evidence as your words indicated the cause already. Thats the way it was. I would not condone those punishments, but can we turn the pages of history back?

That history is a continuation into the present day, Deniz!
It was not history that was over and done with, finished, and now we have a new time ahead of us. No, we still have to fight for the Freedom of our Island because we were thwarted!

There is no turning back the pages of history, because the "Ottomans" are not History as far as we (Cypriots) are concerned.

It is fine for the Greeks, they managed a Revolution and removed the Ottomans, but we still have their remnants (as GR! says).

[denizaksulu]

As you pointed out, these attempts to gain 'their freedom' was seen as trechery and treasonous' by the then administration. They met the fate of all who betrayed their Ottomanism. Ottomans they were. The treatmrent was harsh to say the least. At the time there was only one way to deal with situations like this. I need not furnish 'credible' evidence as your words indicated the cause already. Thats the way it was. I would not condone those punishments, but can we turn the pages of history back?

That history is a continuation into the present day, Deniz!
It was not history that was over and done with, finished, and now we have a new time ahead of us. No, we still have to fight for the Freedom of our Island because we were thwarted!

There is no turning back the pages of history, because the "Ottomans" are not History as far as we (Cypriots) are concerned.

It is fine for the Greeks, they managed a Revolution and removed the Ottomans, but we still have their remnants (as GR! says).

I think you are wrong there Oracle. If what you say is true for Greece, that only implies that the Ottomans/muslims/Turks use whateever term you choose, have been either ethnically cleaned or totally annihilated.
You will find these 'remnants' of the Ottomans all over the 'Ye Olde Ottoman Teritories. No different in Cyprus. Prior to 1914 or if you insist 1878 all Cypriots were Ottomans - whether Orthodox, muslim or otherwise.

[Oracle]

As you pointed out, these attempts to gain 'their freedom' was seen as trechery and treasonous' by the then administration. They met the fate of all who betrayed their Ottomanism. Ottomans they were. The treatmrent was harsh to say the least. At the time there was only one way to deal with situations like this. I need not furnish 'credible' evidence as your words indicated the cause already. Thats the way it was. I would not condone those punishments, but can we turn the pages of history back?

That history is a continuation into the present day, Deniz!
It was not history that was over and done with, finished, and now we have a new time ahead of us. No, we still have to fight for the Freedom of our Island because we were thwarted!

There is no turning back the pages of history, because the "Ottomans" are not History as far as we (Cypriots) are concerned.

It is fine for the Greeks, they managed a Revolution and removed the Ottomans, but we still have their remnants (as GR! says).

I think you are wrong there Oracle. If what you say is true for Greece, that only implies that the Ottomans/muslims/Turks use whateever term you choose, have been either ethnically cleaned or totally annihilated.
You will find these 'remnants' of the Ottomans all over the 'Ye Olde Ottoman Teritories. No different in Cyprus. Prior to 1914 or if you insist 1878 all Cypriots were Ottomans - whether Orthodox, muslim or otherwise.

Regaining one's freedom is not about totally annihilating the invader or ethnically cleansing them ... that is what the invader usually does to acquire territory from the natives!

And yes there are remnants of Ottomans everywhere they had previously occupied, because they were not annihilated, and others have been more tolerant of their presence (but not as invaders/occupiers) than the Ottoman/Turks are of any other groups of people.

[CopperLine]

the invader or ethnically cleansing them ... that is what the invader usually does to acquire territory from the natives!

More crap from Oracle. Usually ? No, not so. Sometimes, yes. Most times, no. This is a historical question, not a matter of Oracle's daft ill-informed opinion.

[yialousa1971]

If any of you have any doubts about whether Cypriots are Hellenes visit the Magna Grecia region of southern Italy.

The older folks there speak just like us Cypriots. Centuries after the colonisation of the area by Greeks the language survives. The similarity between that dialect and Cypriot dialect is evidence of the common heritage. That common heritage does not obligate us to become part of the modern Greek state. That is another issue altogether. Greece has shown itself not to be too intelligent in regard to centers of Hellenism outside its borders. If anyone cannot conceive of the wider notion of Hellene and Hellenism it is the inhabitants of the modern Athenocentric state.

And here they are in the flesh, don't they look like us as well?

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3YG4RA1RRI0[/youtube]

[Oracle]

If any of you have any doubts about whether Cypriots are Hellenes visit the Magna Grecia region of southern Italy.

The older folks there speak just like us Cypriots. Centuries after the colonisation of the area by Greeks the language survives. The similarity between that dialect and Cypriot dialect is evidence of the common heritage. That common heritage does not obligate us to become part of the modern Greek state. That is another issue altogether. Greece has shown itself not to be too intelligent in regard to centers of Hellenism outside its borders. If anyone cannot conceive of the wider notion of Hellene and Hellenism it is the inhabitants of the modern Athenocentric state.

And here they are in the flesh, don't they look like us as well?

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3YG4RA1RRI0[/youtube]

Yialousa1971 .... I am sure you would be very happy to look like that woman and sing like her too ... even now!

Do you have a problem with the beauty inherent in an aged, lined face that has seen life?

[Oracle]

the invader or ethnically cleansing them ... that is what the invader usually does to acquire territory from the natives!

More crap from Oracle. Usually ? No, not so. Sometimes, yes. Most times, no. This is a historical question, not a matter of Oracle's daft ill-informed opinion.

If you are attempting some kind of quantification, why don't you supply some figures!