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[Piratis]

Yes, Verhuegen has the right to feel deceived. Because Cleredes, Markedes and Vasiliou (some of the "yes" people) where handling the Cyprus problem and EU for the most part. They made arrangements that they could accept, but not the majority of Greek Cypriots. Papadopoulos got into the game too late when our EU entry was done, and the Annan plan already there. If it was Papadopoulos from the beginning, then he would have simply rejected the Annan plan long time ago (if necessary changes where not implemented), and nobody would feel deceived. (this is not to say that he didn't do any mistakes - he did. But Papadopoulos did not deceive anybody)

Unfortunately not everybody is as honest as Papadopoulos. Some other politicians instead of representing the true will of GC, they prefer to do public relations and be likable and welcomed by the elite of Europe and US.

Two parties are in parliament and supported a "yes" vote: DISY (about 33% last elections) EDI (about 3%). About 65% of DISY supporters voted "no" and about 45% of EDI supporters voted "no" also. Not even their own supporters follow them on this.

[PEACE]

Yes, Verhuegen has the right to feel deceived. Because Cleredes, Markedes and Vasiliou (some of the "yes" people) where handling the Cyprus problem and EU for the most part. They made arrangements that they could accept, but not the majority of Greek Cypriots. Papadopoulos got into the game too late when our EU entry was done, and the Annan plan already there. If it was Papadopoulos from the beginning, then he would have simply rejected the Annan plan long time ago (if necessary changes where not implemented), and nobody would feel deceived. (this is not to say that he didn't do any mistakes - he did. But Papadopoulos did not deceive anybody)

Unfortunately not everybody is as honest as Papadopoulos. Some other politicians instead of representing the true will of GC, they prefer to do public relations and be likable and welcomed by the elite of Europe and US.

Two parties are in parliament and supported a "yes" vote: DISY (about 33% last elections) EDI (about 3%). About 65% of DISY supporters voted "no" and about 45% of EDI supporters voted "no" also. Not even their own supporters follow them on this.

Yes its better to show your real face to world! Don't try to cheat !

[Piratis]

What I said is that Cleredes Vasiliou etc didn't represent the majority of Greek Cypriots. But we didn't need to cheat on anything.
We entered the EU because 1)We met all the criteria and 2)because Greece made it clear that no enlargement would happen without Cyprus.

[metecyp]

We entered the EU because 1)We met all the criteria and 2)because Greece made it clear that no enlargement would happen without Cyprus.

And it was assumed that GC side would not block a settlement to Cyprus problem before May 1st. That's why Verheugen said he feels cheated because it was generally assumed that GC side is the "good side" and TC side as the "bad boy" and nobody taught that GCs would pass an opportunity like this.

The whole situation is weird because people who said YES for a united Cyprus in EU are left out, and people who said NO for a united Cyprus entered the EU representing the whole island. But it's not our problem now, it's up to you and EU now to figure out what's next.

[Piratis]

The people that said "no" are also the ones that worked to meet the criteria of EU, there is absolutely nothing weird about this. We gained our entry like all other countries and we didn't enter the EU from the window (like you would).


The Anan plan was not an opportunity for us.

[metecyp]

The people that said "no" are also the ones that worked to meet the criteria of EU, there is absolutely nothing weird about this. We gained our entry like all other countries and we didn't enter the EU from the window (like you would).

You didn't enter the EU like any other country, let's make this clear. You entered the EU claiming to represent the whole island, when in fact, you represented only the GC community. You claimed to represent TCs as well, and EU was hopeful that this would become true by accepting the Annan plan. That's why they let you work for the EU, because they believed that your side would not block an agreement after claiming to represent the whole island! That's why Verheugen feels cheated, and don't deny it. I'm not the one saying this, all EU members are saying the same thing nowadays, so go and talk to them if you have a problem with what I'm saying.

Secondly, from what you're saying, I gather that you feel like GCs worked hard to get into EU, TCs are entering EU without doing anything, and that's why we shouldn't have a solution. So why don't you say this loudly? Why don't you tell TCs that GCs don't want a solution until TCs work hard like you did, and earn their EU status? If you don't want to share your EU status, then tell us. Why do you hide behind the bush? If you don't want to share RC, tell us. So we know what you're willing to share and what you' want to keep to yourself.

Read this carefully. Annan plan was an opportunity for you to show to the whole world that you truly deserved to represent the whole island for all these years as you claimed. But the world woke up after the referandum. Now they know who really wants and needs a solution, and who only seems to want a solution. Why do I care? I care because this is only going to further divide the island.

[Piratis]

You said that G/C cheated their way to EU and I answered that we had to work to be accepted. We met all requirements.

If Cyprus was not accepted no enlargement would happen. So according to you, if Cleredes said to Verheugen that the solution should be approved by GC and if they didn't approve then no solution would happen, Verheugen would stop the whole enlargement process?

[mikkam]

Hello Piratis and metecyp! I'm a Dane and have just joined the Cyprus Forum -- nice place!

Since I visited Cyprus as a tourist in 2001 I have been following the developments in the island's political problem rather closely. And I can only agree with Piratis that Verheugen and the other Great Power representatives have no valid reason for feeling "cheated" -- a rather uncommon term in diplomatic vocabulary. The Republic of Cyprus (of course) never promised to accept whatever plan might eventually be presented to it, and Verheugen's line of conduct these days is an unspeakably great disappointment to any decent European.

[Piratis]

Hello Dane,

Turkey has been saying “no” to UN resolutions for decades (and it still does). Since 1974 we made compromise after compromise but nothing ever satisfied them. Unfortunately the UN, in an effort to finally satisfy Turkey, gave them almost everything they asked for, totally forgetting about us. I understand why Verheugen and other Europeans don’t want another problem in Europe. Still, we are European citizens also, and it shouldn’t be expected from us to accept something that will make us second category EU citizens and Cyprus a protectorate of Turkey.

What saddens me is that the European media presented our “no” vote as a vote against reunification. It was “no” to the particular, unfair, plan. We do want reunification, and we support a federal solution that will free Cyprus from Turkey and give Turkish Cypriots their own federal state in a united independent and democratic Cyprus.

I hope that we will manage to find a solution that will satisfy the needs of both communities. And we need Europe to support us in this, otherwise Turkey and Britain will never allow us to achieve such thing.

(I have nothing against Turkish or British citizens. However, the policies of these two countries continue to harm both Greek and Turkish Cypriots)

[mehmet]

There's no point arging any more about the Annan Plan. For the moment it is dead. I have observed international reaction to results and as I suspected, those who are against the Plan are also seen as being against the solution. I know that many people who were against said they were for a solution. Now the responsibility is with those to tell us what is the way forward. Denktas is happy that the Greek Cypriots vote no, and he has postponed his retirement because he is happy to be in charge. He even thanked the Russians last week, I don't know when the last time he did that was, does anyone else? I don't know if AKEL call themselves a Comunist party anymore but last week the Russians obstruct a UN resolution that was designed to address their concerns. I know the Russians don't consider themselves Communist anymore but all the same there must be some interesting discussions taking place within AKEL about the behaviour of the Russians. It is clear that internationally, politicians and diplomats express disappointment about outcome of referundum. Can anyone tell me where in the world they are pleased with the outcome?

What is the feeling now in Republic of Cyprus towards the international community easing the isolation of the TRNC? Papadopoulos say he will ensure Turkish Cypriots benefit from EU, does anyone know how he is thinking of doing this?

Mikkap, decent Europeans are fed up with the Cyprus problem. They don't like you follow it with great interest. Ask your friends about it. I bet you have to have long discusssions with them until they understand your point of view. Most people at first hand will see that UN spent five years trying to do this and I don't think UN is going be stupid again for a while. MikatCyp say EU will take over peace talks. Most of the EU will think you can't trust what Greek Cypriot politicians due to the perception that Papadopoulos betray commitment to support Plan. Don't bother writing ot tell me that it was Clerides or Vasillou, I am talking about how situation is percieved. The situation in Cyprus in the last couple of weeks when bishops say you will go to hell, with grafiti about dead Turks in school buildings and nationalists attacking Turkish Cypriot supporters of Plan brings shame to all Cypriots. Europeans will be wondering just what were they thinking of to let Cyprus join EU when such things occur.