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[Paphitis]

But I am sure the "trnc" is also doing quite well

Yet oddly enough, every family has at least two cars, most kids are sent to uni, most people have some form of job, lavish weddings are held, and life seems to be continuing as normal for the past 30 years. How exactly are we suffering?

Buying Skodas and sending your kids to an unrecognised "trnc" university does not count as a measuring yardstick for you economic well being.

Obviously you have not been to the TRNC, visit anyone one of our universities and see what the kids drive around in prior to going to univerisites abroad using their unrecognized TRNC diplomas to do masters in countries like the UK and USA.

Been to the "trnc". Was nearly arrested and charged for taking pictures close to military prohibited zones, until I flashed an Australian Service ID card and Green passport. I don't think I will be going back any time soon. I will have to await the inevitable liberation.

Also went passed your "universities". Nothing special, but what do you expect from pretend unis. Saw lots of crap little cars, a bit like Skodas, but can not remember exactly as they were some obscure eastern make and model. Had a car accident as some stupid Turk "rear ended" my car at Bogazi, as I was enroute to Apostolos Andreas. Told one of your pretend cops to fuck off, when they tried to shift the blame for the accident onto me. Spent 4 hours at a pretend cop station, and then released after calling the Aussie Embassy in Nicosia. Had some explaining to do when I got back to Australia. The Department of Foreign Affairs wanted to know everything, and I nearly got reprimanded heavily.

Bit like the trip I will never forget. Life can get exciting when I am around.

[Big Al]

But I am sure the "trnc" is also doing quite well

Yet oddly enough, every family has at least two cars, most kids are sent to uni, most people have some form of job, lavish weddings are held, and life seems to be continuing as normal for the past 30 years. How exactly are we suffering?

Buying Skodas and sending your kids to an unrecognised "trnc" university does not count as a measuring yardstick for you economic well being.

Obviously you have not been to the TRNC, visit anyone one of our universities and see what the kids drive around in prior to going to univerisites abroad using their unrecognized TRNC diplomas to do masters in countries like the UK and USA.

Been to the "trnc". Was nearly arrested and charged for taking pictures close to military prohibited zones, until I flashed an Australian Service ID card and Green passport. I don't think I will be going back any time soon. I will have to await the inevitable liberation.

Also went passed your "universities". Nothing special, but what do you expect from pretend unis. Saw lots of crap little cars, a bit like Skodas, but can not remember exactly as they were some obscure eastern make and model. Had a car accident as some stupid Turk "rear ended" my car at Bogazi, as I was enroute to Apostolos Andreas. Told one of your pretend cops to fuck off, when they tried to shift the blame for the accident onto me. Spent 4 hours at a pretend cop station, and then released after calling the Aussie Embassy in Nicosia. Had some explaining to do when I got back to Australia. The Department of Foreign Affairs wanted to know everything, and I nearly got reprimanded heavily.

Bit like the trip I will never forget. Life can get exciting when I am around.

Paphitis,
With our DFAT, you're lucky you werent deported back to Cyprus on suspicion of being a terrorist like that poor bugger Haneef!!
Glad to hear your trip to the north was exciting

[utu]

Reunification may not be palatable for Turkish Cypriots, but perpetuating partition could be even worse! Turkey is treating the north like a colony, dependency, or protectorate. Certainly not as a sovereign nation - which is claims the north to be. Basically, the utter dependence that the north has on Turkey has made a mockery of it's claims to be an independent and sovereign nation. Come to think of it, Somaliland has a far more secure economic status as it does not depend on any one nation to keep it afloat. Economic independence is true independence, but the north won't be getting that, given how Turkey controls everything... The Republic of Cyprus at has a stable economy and is not at the mercy of any one country.

[Paphitis]

Reunification may not be palatable for Turkish Cypriots, but perpetuating partition could be even worse! Turkey is treating the north like a colony, dependency, or protectorate. Certainly not as a sovereign nation - which is claims the north to be. Basically, the utter dependence that the north has on Turkey has made a mockery of it's claims to be an independent and sovereign nation. Come to think of it, Somaliland has a far more secure economic status as it does not depend on any one nation to keep it afloat. Economic independence is true independence, but the north won't be getting that, given how Turkey controls everything... The Republic of Cyprus at has a stable economy and is not at the mercy of any one country.

Reunification is not palatable to the TCs because they have stolen more than 3 times the amount of land and property that they actually owned pre 74. They are just common thieves trying to make good their stolen loot.

[utu]

Reunification is not palatable to the TCs because they have stolen more than 3 times the amount of land and property that they actually owned pre 74. They are just common thieves trying to make good their stolen loot.

There has been so much debate on land percentages that TC's had before 1960 (I've read from various sources - and on this forum - about percentages running between 15% to 35%), so I don't concern myself with that. What I was referring to is the north's survivability as a state without Turkish patronage. Given the economic disparities between north and south, I don't beleive that the north would have much chance, and if by some remote chance independence of the north was widely recognized, the way that Turkey influences politics there, it would end up like Hatay: independent, then "unifying" with the "motherland"...

[Paphitis]

Reunification is not palatable to the TCs because they have stolen more than 3 times the amount of land and property that they actually owned pre 74. They are just common thieves trying to make good their stolen loot.

There has been so much debate on land percentages that TC's had before 1960 (I've read from various sources - and on this forum - about percentages running between 15% to 35%), so I don't concern myself with that. What I was referring to is the north's survivability as a state without Turkish patronage. Given the economic disparities between north and south, I don't beleive that the north would have much chance, and if by some remote chance independence of the north was widely recognized, the way that Turkey influences politics there, it would end up like Hatay: independent, then "unifying" with the "motherland"...

Yes I know what you were referring to. And we all know that the "trnc" is a bread basket case that can not stand on her own 2 feet. But this is of little importance when you consider that the basic core of the problem is that Turkey wishes to keep 37% of the island that was stolen by force of arms. Turkey is not in Cyprus because they are concerned for the well being of the TCs. In fact the TCs are last on Turkey's agenda, and we can see this from the way in which they are systematically eradicating TCs from the island and replacing them with Anatolians. Turkey knows full well that the TCs are much closer to GCs than they are with the Anatolians. So Turkey is just ridding the occupied area of TCs so that Turkey can maintain possession of stolen lands.

The official land ownership of TCs as recorded by the Cyprus Land Registry in 1974, is of the order of 12.6%. No other figure can be seriously accepted, as land is always transient and is passed on or sold from individual to individual, or between entities. Any other sources are just not valid. Turks are even claiming land ownership on pre 1878 data, but this is for the sole purpose of desperately trying to legitimise the stolen loot.

The "trnc" is not surviving as a state. Apart from being an illegitimate entity, it is also an entity that has absolutely no viability or dignity whatsoever. You also mention annexation of the "trnc" and you use Hatay as an example. If Turkey was able to do this, then she would have already done it. The truth is that Turkey has nothing to gain by annexing Cyprus, and the price for doing such a thing may be too high. What would happen in such a scenario is that most TCs will end up moving to the RoC, and Turkey will not be able to claim that her presence in Cyprus is to protect the TCs as they will all be living south of the Green Line. There are many other consequences, too numerous to mention here.

[Oracle]

But I am sure the "trnc" is also doing quite well

Yet oddly enough, every family has at least two cars, most kids are sent to uni, most people have some form of job, lavish weddings are held, and life seems to be continuing as normal for the past 30 years. How exactly are we suffering?

Buying Skodas and sending your kids to an unrecognised "trnc" university does not count as a measuring yardstick for you economic well being.

Obviously you have not been to the TRNC, visit anyone one of our universities and see what the kids drive around in prior to going to univerisites abroad using their unrecognized TRNC diplomas to do masters in countries like the UK and USA.

Been to the "trnc". Was nearly arrested and charged for taking pictures close to military prohibited zones, until I flashed an Australian Service ID card and Green passport. I don't think I will be going back any time soon. I will have to await the inevitable liberation.

Also went passed your "universities". Nothing special, but what do you expect from pretend unis. Saw lots of crap little cars, a bit like Skodas, but can not remember exactly as they were some obscure eastern make and model. Had a car accident as some stupid Turk "rear ended" my car at Bogazi, as I was enroute to Apostolos Andreas. Told one of your pretend cops to fuck off, when they tried to shift the blame for the accident onto me. Spent 4 hours at a pretend cop station, and then released after calling the Aussie Embassy in Nicosia. Had some explaining to do when I got back to Australia. The Department of Foreign Affairs wanted to know everything, and I nearly got reprimanded heavily.

Bit like the trip I will never forget. Life can get exciting when I am around.

What a great episode for "Neighbours"

[Nikitas]

"independent, then "unifying" with the "motherland"..."

That undoubtedly is the Turkish plan, if the TCs allow it to happen then they deserve what they get, which is extinction.

GCs will be faced with a totally Turkish occupied north, but at least the situation will be clear, a foreign occupation without the mitigating factor that it was done for the benefit of the indigenous minority community.

The responsibility is on the TCs to claim their independence. No one can do it for them.

[MrH]

Not the way the Greek Cypriot want it!!

[utu]

Not the way the Greek Cypriot want it!!

So in that case, the Turkish Cypriots are screwed either way....