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[Piratis]

Piratis, on the other hand likes to take into account all the rounds, as though this is a boxing match the outcome of which needs to be decided.

I don't see you telling this to your TC friends this when they want to use "previous round" to excuse their current illegalities.

Either we take the last "round", or all rounds. Which one would it be? You can't just start history at an arbitrary point that suits you.

Our bad luck was that Turkish nationalism proved superior to ours

Good that you finally realized that traitors like you have been our weakness.

If we had been more decisive and less forgiving then we, like Crete, wouldn't have a problem today. This is the lesson that Turks taught us.

[Jerry]

I know of another idiot who adopted the views of Denktash, however, this is not the issue here. I think what Tim is trying to tell us is that there is still hope since there are people who can make a rational evaluation of the events of the past and what the nationalist minotaur did to us.

Of course, in order to make a rational evaluation one needs to be clear as to exactly what happened and why. In a different thread, Nikitas basically says that we started killing each other because we got bored. Piratis, on the other hand likes to take into account all the rounds, as though this is a boxing match the outcome of which needs to be decided.

In reality, it is much simpler. The latest round, which happened in our lifetime, started because of our burning ambition to unite Cyprus with Greece. Till then, Turkey was not even a factor in the Cypriot equation. I have said before that it was our right to pursue this but once we established the strong objection by the Turkish Cypriot community to our stated aim, we should have revised it in order to accommodate the future of the Turkish Cypriot community. Our nationalist lust prevented us from doing this and any voices to the contrary were quickly silenced by the great patriots.

Our bad luck was that Turkish nationalism proved superior to ours, but we should have realised this before committing the grave mistakes that resulted in the undoing of our country as we knew it.

You are absolutely right Bananiot BUT at the time ENOSIS was seen as providing security for GCs and you cannot simply ignore the deep rooted fear the majority of Cypriots had for Turkey. It's wrong to view what happened in Cyprus in isolation, you have to take account of the population exchanges and ethnic cleansing that took place a few decades earlier, union with Greece would, it was hoped, prevent that. With this in mind some TCs figured that partition was the only solution, they were even prepared to sacrifice some of their own to achieve this. The unworkable 1960 constitution meant that eventually one side would have to win, do we have a winner or will the international community recognise the unfairness of Zurich and let democracy and adherence to the UN Charter prevail?

[Get Real!]

Our bad luck was that Turkish nationalism proved superior to ours

Good that you finally realized that traitors like you have been our weakness.

That's gotta hurt...

[Bananiot]

Not if you know the last resort of all scoundrels is patriotism.

[Get Real!]

Not if you know the last resort of all scoundrels is patriotism.

How about a definition for “patriotism” from you?

[halil]

IF you walk in the Istiklal caddesi everyday you can see young boys and girls are giving leaflets and newspapers to public in Istanbul . These boys and girls are all members of the TKP .

many times i witness them while they were making a demonstration at front of the Galatasaray Lisesi .

and here is the their web page.

http://www.tkp.org.tr/en

Cyprus
TKP stands for a united, independent Cyprus and believes that this can be only achieved in socialism. While TKP rejects nationalist arguments for dividing the island and demands the withdrawal of all foreign troops including Turkish, Greek and British troops, it also opposes the EU membership of Cyprus, stressing that imperialists, who have the primary responsibility in the current situation of the island, cannot bring peace to Cyprus.

http://www.tkp.org.tr/en/issues-of-tkp

[Bananiot]

Jerry, we totally ignored Turkey in the early 50's when we made our first moves. This does not indicate fear from our part. In fact we stupidly considered Turkey incabable of touching us back then and we showed a clean middle finger to any one that told us we were playing with fire.

[miltiades]

Piratis , Bananiot is as much a G/C as you and I are .The difference is that he accepts that we made mistakes , very serious mistakes and suggests that as a result of those mistakes we are now paying the price.Having T/C friends , and I have many , doesn't make one a traitor to his country since our country is that also of the T/Cs.
There are many T/Cs , even on this forum , that might be also accused by hard line nationalist T/Cs as traitors .
I believe I'm right in saying that Bananiot , just as I do , does not see majorities and minorities but views all Cypriots as part of the majority . Kafenes is a Cypriot Armenian but he is most certainly not a minority , neither are Bir , Kikapu , Iceman , Cem , Levant and many many more .

[Bananiot]

These are the exact words of Klerides:

«Οι Τουρκοκύπριοι είχαν περισσότερους λόγους να φοβούνται, σαν μια μειονότητα διασκορπισμένη σε ένα νησί που κατοικείτο κυρίως από Ελληνοκύπριους οι οποίοι δεν έκρυβαν την δυσαρέσκειά τους γιατί ο αγώνας τους για την ένωση δεν πέτυχε τον στόχο του και γιατί ο συμβιβασμός που έγινε στη Ζυρίχη έδωσε στη μειονότητα υπερβολικά δικαιώματα τα οποία δεν ήσαν πρόθυμοι να σεβαστούν».

Rough translation:

The TC's had more reasons to fear as a minority dispersed all over Cyprus in an island predominantly inhabited by GC's who did not hide their dissapointment for not achieving enosis while the Zurich agreements gave the minority excessive rights.

Facing and recognising the truth is the only patriotic action for it fortifies your country against wrong moves that eventually lead to disasters.

[Oracle]

Not if you know the last resort of all scoundrels is patriotism.

Instead of verbatim repeating this nonsensical idiom ... how about you tell us, how it really applies as anything more than a filler, for when you are stuck for an answer!