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Understanding UK 'plans' for Cyprus, late 1950s

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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:01 am

You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:06 am

Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!
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Re: Understanding UK 'plans' for Cyprus, late 1950s

Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:09 am

Talisker wrote:Was the EOKA struggle and the plebiscite REALLY for enosis, or, as some have said, to send a message to the Brits?

I think you'll find that "Enosis" meant different things to different people just as "unification" does today... :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:10 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!


He wasn't President yet!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:14 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!


I want to wring your neck .....

You'll want to shoot me after reading this… Makarios did NOT have to accept the undemocratic rubbish he was fooled into had he read the UN declaration!
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:16 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!


I want to wring your neck .....

You'll want to shoot me after reading this… Makarios did NOT have to accept the undemocratic rubbish he was fooled into had he read the UN declaration!


Please see the "On second thoughts" version .... :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:17 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!

I want to wring your neck .....

You'll want to shoot me after reading this… Makarios did NOT have to accept the undemocratic rubbish he was fooled into had he read the UN declaration!

Please see the "On second thoughts" version .... :lol:

Will you quit changing your posts? I'm fast so don't do that! I'd rather you take your time.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:20 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!

I want to wring your neck .....

You'll want to shoot me after reading this… Makarios did NOT have to accept the undemocratic rubbish he was fooled into had he read the UN declaration!

Please see the "On second thoughts" version .... :lol:

Will you quit changing your posts? I'm fast so don't do that! I'd rather you take your time.


OK ... so I can produce two wildly different thoughts, in the space of you answering one. :lol:

Now, how about the fact that there was NO President at the time, only an unofficial leader and a disparate group of men fighting to stay alive ....
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:22 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!

I want to wring your neck .....

You'll want to shoot me after reading this… Makarios did NOT have to accept the undemocratic rubbish he was fooled into had he read the UN declaration!

Please see the "On second thoughts" version .... :lol:

Will you quit changing your posts? I'm fast so don't do that! I'd rather you take your time.


OK ... so I can produce two wildly different thoughts, in the space of you answering one. :lol:

Now, how about the fact that there was NO President at the time, only an unofficial leader and a disparate group of men fighting to stay alive ....

He was still the official-unofficial leader of the GC people... if not why was he negotiating with the successive governors?
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Postby Talisker » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:23 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:You have to think back to the chaos of the time. Lack of communication and uncertainty. You can't ascribe the same knowledge we have now to what was available then.

Oracle, that's what foreign diplomats are for. One of our politicians should've been located there permanently and keeping the president up to date with everything... it's not like we were unfamiliar with the UN!

GR, you are the only GC on the forum who actually accepts that GCs themselves might even have contributed to their downfall, and that, boo hoo, it wasn't just the fault of everyone else. The late 50s - early 60s were clearly times when lots of mistakes were made, by the GCs as well as everyone else. As a Brit with an interest in Cyprus I want to understand our role in the Cypriot situation, and to acknowledge our mistakes.......
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