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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

What Percentage for each community?

European Union Principals
4
40%
Other to be negotiated
6
60%
 
Total votes : 10

Postby DT. » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:22 pm

A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:33 pm

DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:40 pm

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:48 pm

Piratis wrote:
If all the Greek Cypriot people were like Piratis, I would agree with you. But they are not. The last referendum was very unfair. With the next one you will see a different result. The majority of people in Cyprus are for peace. I have always believed that. We have allowed a small percentage of extremes on both sides to hijack our country and we are where we are. When I say small I mean in terms of percentage of population, but they have immense power in the media, and know how to use it to deliver results in polls.

We have to have such an arrangement that 1963 and later cannot be repeated again. Then we will have peace.

Trust in Talat.

The "people like Piratis" are those who support freedom for Cyprus, democracy and human rights.

How about if we have such arrangement that 1958 and later can not be repeated again? Or your attacks against us and your collaboration with the foreign Colonialists in order to have unfair gains on our expense, such as 30% government positions, were all fine for you and should be repeated?


It is not possible to go back to 1958. Too many people are hurt, we would not last 2 minutes not because of some theoretical reason. Reality unfortunately. But we can have a fair settlement that would benefit both communities.

We trust in Talat. However Christfia’s hands are tied by his partners. There lies the possibility of failure, I am afraid.
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:52 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:02 pm

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.



I am not pretending anything, get your terminology correct and then we can have a proper discussion.

Hel·le·nist (hl-nst)
n.
1. One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture, especially a Jew of the Diaspora.
2. A devotee or student of Greek civilization, language, or literature.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:03 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.



I am not pretending anything, get your terminology correct and then we can have a proper discussion.

Hel·le·nist (hl-nst)
n.
1. One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture, especially a Jew of the Diaspora.
2. A devotee or student of Greek civilization, language, or literature.


Are you reffering to something like Pan-Turkism?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:14 pm

DT. wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.



I am not pretending anything, get your terminology correct and then we can have a proper discussion.

Hel·le·nist (hl-nst)
n.
1. One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture, especially a Jew of the Diaspora.
2. A devotee or student of Greek civilization, language, or literature.


Are you reffering to something like Pan-Turkism?


I know now the answer. Thanks. Your silence is deafening.

Goodbye.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:25 pm

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.



I am not pretending anything, get your terminology correct and then we can have a proper discussion.

Hel·le·nist (hl-nst)
n.
1. One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture, especially a Jew of the Diaspora.
2. A devotee or student of Greek civilization, language, or literature.


Are you reffering to something like Pan-Turkism?


I know now the answer. Thanks. Your silence is deafening.

Goodbye.


Why goodbye? What would you like to know about Pan-Turkism?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:41 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:A Greek from Greece is an Ellinas. A Hellene.

Thats like saying are not all Brits British?


You are avoiding the issue. My issue is not with hellene. Its with hellenism. You are confusing the two and its deliberate. You know exactly that I mean.

Please answer a very easy question. Are all Greeks, right wing and left wing and everything in between, Hellenists not Hellenes.


Are you mistakenly calling hellenists nationalists?


No No No. Its an idea not a political party. Similar to Hitlers idea who wanted to join all the Germanic lands into one. You are pretending not to understand.



I am not pretending anything, get your terminology correct and then we can have a proper discussion.

Hel·le·nist (hl-nst)
n.
1. One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture, especially a Jew of the Diaspora.
2. A devotee or student of Greek civilization, language, or literature.


Are you reffering to something like Pan-Turkism?


I know now the answer. Thanks. Your silence is deafening.

Goodbye.


Why goodbye? What would you like to know about Pan-Turkism?


Pan-Turkism - has no relevance with the discussion on Office of the President of the republic of Cyprus. However Hellenism( Not the quoted dictionary meanings of the word but the idea that Grivas, Makarios and all the other of their ilk who have been using it, meant by it "to unite all the ancient Greek lands") does. TC's voted yes, remember. Particularly if Akel is tainted with that brush as well. This also matters.
Nothing more to be said. My worst fears are unfortunately realised.

Finally Goodbye.
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