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Well put Makarios

Postby Mr. T » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:53 pm

The final words of this extract from an article by Makarios Drousiotis are so very well put but as everyone knows their is no chance of GC murderers being brought to justice.
Oh ye hypocrites.


'When we refer to human rights, we should be deeply convinced of the justice of those rights, and not use them selectively only when those concern our own community or nation.

In August 1974, three entire villages of Turkish Cypriots were annihilated by EOKA B. How many people know that it was only after the execution of the entire male population of the village of Tochni that the first organised transportation of Turkish Cypriot civilians to the occupied north – the widows and orphans of Tochni – was arranged, for humanitarian reasons? Why has this society covered the murderers only because the exactors spoke Greek and their victims spoke Turkish? Is this not hypocritical?

The list of 500 missing Turkish Cypriots includes the names children as young as three or four years of age. The list published in the official gazette of the government on May 12, 2003. Approximately half were innocent civilians who were abducted and murdered in the period from 1963 to 1967.

Among them are the names of 32 Turkish Cypriots who disappeared in Famagusta between May and June, 1964. These people were hapless citizens who were murdered as reprisals for the deaths of two Greek officers and one Cypriot policeman who entered the Turkish quarter of Famagusta bearing arms and in civilian clothes and who subsequently clashed with Turkish Cypriots.

“No action is known to have been taken to bring these responsible to trial,” wrote the then Secretary General of the United Nations, U Thant, in a report on the facts. “In spite of repeated communications by UNFICYP to authorities at all levels, including a letter to the President to trace the whereabouts or the remains of these persons there has been no progress at all in locating them,” the same report mentions.

One group of these missing people were soaking in a well for 44 years and were found last year in Paralimni, after excavations made by the Investigating Committee on Missing Persons.

Many ask, “Why do you raise the subject of the Turkish Cypriot victims now that it is Turkey who is in the dock as a result of Olgaç’ statements?”

Firstly, in my conscience, all Cypriots are equal – no matter which community they belong to. And secondly, and more substantially, I believe that we will find salvation through catharsis – not in the courtrooms.

If something of value has arisen out of all this, it is the shock to public opinion in Turkey itself. It has suddenly been realised that the “peacekeeping operation” of 1974 was a war, with all the attendant extreme barbarity.

Unless we all experience the shock of the truth, unless we all understand the other person’s pain, we will never find our way to deliverance. We will always remain miserable, always bemoaning our wicked destiny and cursing ‘the foreigners’ for hating and undermining us.

So – Wanted: Greek Actor with a Conscience...'
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Postby YFred » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:02 am

Forgive my ignorance, but how many Makarios's are there in Cyprus?
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:05 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Well put Makarios

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:27 am

Mr. T wrote:In August 1974, three entire villages of Turkish Cypriots were annihilated by EOKA B.

That’s right keep repeating it… and within a few decades the interest will compound to 5000 dead! That should get the world to feel sorry for you… :wink:
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:47 am

In August 1974, three entire villages of Turkish Cypriots were annihilated by EOKA B.


In 1974 hundreds of villages, as well as 2 whole cities, where ethnically cleansed from all their Greek Cypriot population. In 1974 thousands of innocent Greek Cypriots were killed by the invading Turks.

The Turkish invasion started on 20th of July 1974. Now give us the dates for the events in those villages. You will find out that it is the Turks with the assistance of TCs who first invaded and started killing innocent Greek Cypriots by the 1000s, and only after a few 100s of TCs were killed.

So you start a war were several 1000s of Greek Cypriots die, and a few hundreds of TCs die, and then you come to blame us because you also had casulties in the war you started?? :roll:

That is how wars are my friend. Wars are nasty things. If you start a war and commit atrocities like murders of innocent people including women and children, rapes of under age girls, and ethnic cleansing, then you should expect at least some retaliation.


The same is true for the inter-communal conflict. Like the war of 1974, the inter-communal conflict was started by the TCs, when they collaborated with the Colonialists and attacked the Greek Cypriots in order to help the colonialists to oppress the revolution of the Cypriot people.

And we can go even before that if you want. In all cases it is the Turks who attack Cypriots starting the wars and conflicts during which a large number of Cypriots, and a comparatively smaller number of Turks/TCs, died.
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Postby 74LB » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:17 am

Piratis, your response is sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers. :(
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:56 am

74LB wrote:Piratis, your response is sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers. :(


You are the ones who justify the Turkish invasion, which was the cause for many 1000s of Greek Cypriots and a few 100s of Turkish Cypriots to die.

How did you want it to happen? To start a war were you kill 1000s of Greek Cypriots, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, while having no single casualty yourselves? That is how your plan was?

Wouldn't it be much better if instead of starting wars and conflicts, which would inevitably result in casualties and suffering, if you would just accept that the Cypriot people have the right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island?

In 1955 we were fighting for freedom and democracy against the British Colonialists, and you attacked us starting the conflict.

In 1974 we were fighting against the coupists, and you again attacked us starting the war.

I didn't ask from you to join us to fight against the Colonialists or the Coupists if you didn't want to, but you had no right to attack us and start conflicts and wars against us, and try to exploit the situation to have unfair and disproportional gains for yourselves on our expense.
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Postby 74LB » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:07 am

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers. :(
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:24 am

74LB wrote:Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers. :(


Your response is sad and expected.

Justifying your invasion against Cyprus, the murder of 1000s of Greek Cypriots and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of Greeks Cypriots, while at the same time blaming Greek Cypriots because you didn't manage to perform the "perfect crime" against us, where you would manage to cause all that suffering to us without having any casualties yourselves.

I am not justifying any deaths of innocent people. Those people, GCs and TCs, died during the Turkish invasion and because of the Turkish invasion and I am not the one who justifies the Turkish invasion which caused all those casualties, you are.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:24 am

74LB wrote:Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers. :(

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”! :roll:
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