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[YFred]

No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.

1) We've nothing to fear but plently to be pissed off about your settlers. When the tc side is placing their issues over the plight of the refugees it angers us.
2) Judging by the level of integration between TC's and settlers I would imagine the integration between GC's and settlers in one common country would be even more difficult. If you guys haven't managed to get on with them how the hell do you expect us to?
3) Shipping settlers to change the demographics of a millitarily occupied territory is a war crime.

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You've given us your opinion about point 3, what about points 1 and 2? I'm especially anxious to hear your thoughts on point 2

I was under the impression that my answer covered all your points. As my nephew is married to a lovely lady from Edirne and they have two lovely children, living in a house built on Turkish land, and I have also recently made my house available to a Kurdish builder family of 8 in Lurucina, to live in. My views are quite clear. Sure there are problems, like everywhere one else, Some TC calling Turks Gaco and Turks calling TC's GC. But everyone makes a mountain out of a mole hill.

Strife in all societies are rooted in hopelessness. If you have no hope and are of the wrong character, crime seems to pay. Human nature. Give a man a job and a good living and most of the time they behave.

As an immigrant in England for 35 years, it would be hypocritical to think anything else. I maintain that you have nothing to fear, it can benefit the GC economy, because they are hard workers and they work cheaper than TCs.

The real danger GC face is joining EU, particularly if Turkey joins it. That will do to you what it did to our economy. Your problems of joining the EU are not very apparent yet.
This is not partisan I'd like to think that I can see through partisanship.

[YFred]

My experience of the deep Anatolian peasants as you call them, fall into two categories. Fantastic and catastrophic. I would say that vast majority are decent fantastic people who are givers. Who will do a good days work for a good days pay. A small minority are takers, thieves crooks and such.
I too have heard that not even a dog would venture out into centre of Lefkosa late at knight for fear of rape. Ghetos and poverty are the same everywhere. It has no nationality. Every country and city has them. The answer is free trade, hope and opportunity and a well paid police force to enforce the low. Not what His highness Mr Dengtas suggested about combating crime - get a dog is what he came up with.

With problems, analyse, understand, be reasonable and solve is how I deal with life I am afraid.

[YFred]

legalised war crime

There is no such thing.

Nobody attempted to clear the TCs from Cyprus. Just to make the TCs accept democracy and the self-determination of Cypriots on their own island.

Are you saying there is no legalised war crime today?
Who has their head under the sand Piratis me or you?
Even the Ostriches apparently never did it!

There are many war crimes today, and all of them are illegal. Like the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey and the Settlers that Turkey brought to Cyprus.

What do you call what the :
Chinese do to the Ugur Turks
Russians did to the Chechens
Americans did to Iraqies and Afghanies

You really perhaps should open you mind a little.
Not everything is on paper and provable. You just have to read in between the lines.
I would go further, the UN should be disbanded and replaced by a real democratic system, to stop all the Legal war crimes taking place.

[Get Real!]

I would go further, the UN should be disbanded and replaced by a real democratic system, to stop all the Legal war crimes taking place.

Maybe you mean “sanitized war crimes”… ???

[zan]

No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.

Perfect answer gardas.....The GCs spend half their time here telling us how mixed open they are and the other half telling us how they hate the Turkish people who they have never lived with......

[Nikitas]

"Give a man a job and a good living and most of the time they behave."

They can behave back in their own village so we Cypriots who were expelled or prevented from coming to live in Cyprus can do so now. Stop this "they are human" shit. They are here displacing natural born Cypriots. Or else they can give us part of their fucking land back in Antalya or wherever they come from so we can settle. These people did not materialise out of thin air, they came from some place where they had property and family ties. They can go back there and get on with their lives.

You patronising bleeding hearts in here from both GC and TC sides make me sick. If you are not ready to take the Cypriots's side on this issue then leave!

[Kikapu]

"Give a man a job and a good living and most of the time they behave."

They can behave back in their own village so we Cypriots who were expelled or prevented from coming to live in Cyprus can do so now. Stop this "they are human" shit. They are here displacing natural born Cypriots. Or else they can give us part of their fucking land back in Antalya or wherever they come from so we can settle. These people did not materialise out of thin air, they came from some place where they had property and family ties. They can go back there and get on with their lives.

You patronising bleeding hearts in here from both GC and TC sides make me sick. If you are not ready to take the Cypriots's side on this issue then leave!

Totally agree with you, Nikitas.!

[Viewpoint]

What about those that were born here? or have lived here for 35 years?

[74LB]

whats your take on the settlers?

one of the most important issues for me and the future unification of the island is the settlers.

now, lets just put the whole issue of how they're here illegally which is widely known and accepted aside, and just talk about the possible ramifications of these kind of people leaking all over Cyprus.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the settlers that the Turkish government brought here over the years, are of the likes of "homeless" Anatolians picked up from the streets, or more specifically, poor uneducated people that would do and believe anything they've been told, just because they dont know better.

We've already seen crime rates rise along with the rise of illegal immigrants arriving in the ROC from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Srilanka and the general area, so i just wanted to know more about the settlers in the North. I've been hearing about they may allow "some" of them to stay, so i need to know a bit more about them.

Anyone care to enlighten me? what kind of people are they? how do you think they'll react once the boarders are wide open? any kind of information is appreciated

can we PLEASE stick to the point of this thread, i dont want this to turn into a flame fest thats gone way out of topic. take it elsewhere please.

Yfred, i'm basing my assumptions from what is happening in southern part of the island. The influx of illegal immigrants brought many many problems along with them, be it cultural, economic, crime or whatever else. I know nothing about the settlers, hence why i've created this thread

So, assuming that the Turkish settlers came to this island for the exact same reason the illegal immigrants in the south did, i'm a bit skeptical as to what the impact of suddenly having an X amount of "illegal immigrants" let loose.

for example, how many of them do you figure are homless bums commiting small time crimes just to not starve to death? do they respect women? (silly question, but give me some credit here, i can expect anything from deep anatolian peasants)

hopefully you got the general idea of what i'm wanting to know

I think you have already made up your own mind so why ask anyone else ?

[74LB]

Guess who said this......

i suggest you take a look at history, religion, language, tradition, customs, and cy-gr relations, among others. i am a born and raised cypriot and i'm proud of it, but i consider greece as motherland. every time i visit i dont feel like a foreigner, and everytime i see an actual greek back home, i dont consider him as a foreigner. everytime i encounter a greek i talk to him and feel like he's my brother, and from what i can tell, its the other way around too.