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Postby Lit » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:01 pm

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Ohh you like to quote from Peter Green. What about this quote from him below:

http://books.google.com/books?client=fi ... arch+Books

these were powerful princes in the true Homeric tradition, like the kings of Cyprus. ”’The Molossian dynasty of Epirus, on the marches of Orestis and Elimiotis, claimed descent from Achilles, through his grandson Pyrrhus - a fact destined to have immeasurable influence on the young Alexander, whose mother Olympias was of Molossian stock.’” “
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:02 pm

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Postby Lit » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:03 pm

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Ohh you like to quote from Peter Green. What about this quote from him below:

http://tinyurl.com/coga6q

”’The Argeads themselves, as we have seen, headed their pedigree with Heracles, and could thus (since Heracles was the son of Zeus) style themselves ‘Zeus-born’ like any Mycenaean dynast: both Zeus and Heracles appear regularly on Philip’s coinage”’.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:04 pm

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Postby Lit » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:05 pm

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Ohh you like to quote from Peter Green. What about this quote from him below:

*”Alexander I had, of course, pointed the way, and not merely in the field of territorial expansion. He worked hard to ”’GET Macedonia ACCEPTED as a member of the Hellenic FAMILY”’
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Postby Simon » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:06 pm

Kurupetos,

No nation, Turks or Greeks are going to come through thousands of years of history and remain "ethnically pure" whatever that means. I don't really see what GR's point is. Hellenism was always about culture, language and ideology, rather than purely ethnicity anyway.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:06 pm

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Postby Lit » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:08 pm

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*”In less than four years he had transformed Macedonia from a backward and primitive kingdom ”’to one of the most powerful states in the Greek world”’”
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Postby Lit » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:10 pm

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*”Aristotle found support for his thesis in facts drawn from geopolitics or ‘natural law’. ”’Greek superiority had to be proved demonstrably innate”’, a gift of nature. In one celebrated fragment ”’he counsels Alexader to be ‘a hegemon[leader] of Greeks and a despot to the barbarians, to look after the former as after friends and relatives, and to deal with the latter as with beasts or plants”’”
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