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[denizaksulu]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

[Oracle]

Deniz Bey ,

have a look below link and try to read most of it at your free times .Lots of things to learn ....

http://www.turkicworld.org/

Thank you Halil. A lot to read, and a lot to learn. Are you telling me something? Are you not a 'Cypriot'? A Turkish Cypriot? Or are you a Turk? I know what I am.

Not a very enlightening site halil gave you Deniz ... lots of unobtainable URLs ... but this bit about how they made up Turkish history was fascinating:

Really, during the formation of the traditional historical science, the Türkic ethnic (and political) history was not studied specially.
Considering these circumstances, I decided not to confine to the information of the official historical science, and started to study all available to me primary sources of ancient Greek....

[Antreis]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

Thanks for the info .
However the question in this thread does not refer to any "converts" in the Ottoman Empire but specifically addresses the Greekness of some of the "converts".
Converts could have been either the ones that voluntary or forceful converted .For us the ones that voluntary converted were called "exomotes" which is very similar in notion as the word traitor , in most cases.
A.

[kurupetos]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

Thanks for the info .
However the question in this thread does not refer to any "converts" in the Ottoman Empire but specifically addresses the Greekness of some of the "converts".
Converts could have been either the ones that voluntary or forceful converted .For us the ones that voluntary converted were called "exomotes" which is very similar in notion as the word traitor , in most cases.A.

What do you mean?

[denizaksulu]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

Thanks for the info .
However the question in this thread does not refer to any "converts" in the Ottoman Empire but specifically addresses the Greekness of some of the "converts".
Converts could have been either the ones that voluntary or forceful converted .For us the ones that voluntary converted were called "exomotes" which is very similar in notion as the word traitor , in most cases.A.

What do you mean?

Perhaps he means 'turncoat'. Perhaps they chose the islamic way of life. It may have been preferable to some, considering the advances they could have made in their social standing.

[kurupetos]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

Thanks for the info .
However the question in this thread does not refer to any "converts" in the Ottoman Empire but specifically addresses the Greekness of some of the "converts".
Converts could have been either the ones that voluntary or forceful converted .For us the ones that voluntary converted were called "exomotes" which is very similar in notion as the word traitor , in most cases.A.

What do you mean?

Perhaps he means 'turncoat'. Perhaps they chose the islamic way of life. It may have been preferable to some, considering the advances they could have made in their social standing.

OK, but returning to the original post, I meant that the original Ottomans, not the converts, didn't invent anything. They relied on the converts or slaves prior knowledge to create/invent in the Ottoman empire.

Before you get mad, in the past it had happened again, when the Greek architecture, art, culture, language, and civilization in general, influenced the Roman & later the Byzantine empires.

Savvy?

[denizaksulu]

Sinan ,born in 1489 the year Venice took control of our island, was of Greek origin rather than Armenian one as some scholars claim.This assumption is based on one single but most important fact that he was recruited in the Janissary corp in his early twenties.And since the Janissary corp was an exclusive Greek body with rare exceptions we can safely assume that Sinan was Greek.

Thank you Antreis. Good to know this info.

Thats what I have said above. A 'devshirme' is a convert. Sinan was indeed an egineer in the Yenicheri corp.

Thanks for the info .
However the question in this thread does not refer to any "converts" in the Ottoman Empire but specifically addresses the Greekness of some of the "converts".
Converts could have been either the ones that voluntary or forceful converted .For us the ones that voluntary converted were called "exomotes" which is very similar in notion as the word traitor , in most cases.A.

What do you mean?

Perhaps he means 'turncoat'. Perhaps they chose the islamic way of life. It may have been preferable to some, considering the advances they could have made in their social standing.

OK, but returning to the original post, I meant that the original Ottomans, not the converts, didn't invent anything. They relied on the converts or slaves prior knowledge to create/invent in the Ottoman empire.

Before you get mad, in the past it had happened again, when the Greek architecture, art, culture, language, and civilization in general, influenced the Roman & later the Byzantine empires.

Savvy?

Before I get mad? Bloody hell, are you saying the Greeks were mad before the Ottomans, too?Mind boggles.

[Oracle]

The laptop!




5th century BCE, Athens

[denizaksulu]

Touch-screen none-the-less.

Is it a Dellios?

[yialousa1971]

A good nights sleep.

The ivory bed, from the book “Salamis of Cyprus” by Dr. Vasos Karageorghis.