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Postby insan » Sat May 23, 2009 4:49 pm

boomerang wrote:
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boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
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YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
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miltiades wrote:
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DT. wrote:
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ahristos wrote:eoka dont exist makarios in dead so turks what is your problem now
now we m in year 2009 so try to get solution and end this stupit problem
berlin is free nicosia not yet


Their spirits r still alive and still exerting to osmosis TC community. Leaders die but their spirits and thoughts r kept alive by their successors. They all serve their own national interests... Only in a regional sub-alliance that contains Turks-Greeks-TCs-GCs a genuine unification with little or no fears could be achieved...


unlike taksim and millitary occupation who have no need for spirits...they are both alive and well today.


What did u expect? If u dream we would ever accept minority status, u simply waste ur most valuable times.

Be a Cypriot , then you are part of the majority .


Do u mean; be a Greek Cypriot, praise EOKA "heroes", curse TMT "terrorists", applaud Greek Cypriot leaders, consider TC leaders as "traitors", accept Turkey as an "invader", Greece as number one ally, never oppose the historical lies and propaganda of Greek-GC duo, never oppose the common national interest policies of Greek-GC duo etc? Then I'm a "Cypriot" and in the majority? :lol: :lol: Milti, u sound like, just woke up from ur another dream again. :lol: :wink:

Insan, is Eroglu Dengtas Talat and Akinci the same, as they are all TC. Being a Cypriot means wanting to be part of Cyprus, but not under the boots of the Greek fascists. That is why we have negotiations to resolve the Cyprus problem. That is why everyone back to their homes and back to 1960 is not on the negotiating table.
Please have some faith that there is better days ahead, we just have to hope that these two leaders come to an agreement acceptable to both communities so we can move on and begin to build real bridges so the fascist can't knock them down at will.


It is crystal clear to me that a solution satisfactory to majority of 2 main communities of Cyprus is not possible. Greek-GC duo and Turk-TC duo have red lines that they don't tend to give up any of their red lines.

On the other hand, besides Turcophobia, islamophobia is also on the rise in Europe. US economy is going worse and it seems like through a collapse.

There's nothing wrong with non-geographic, confederal union of 7 Turkish states; to the contrary, there r too many benefits of such a union; even maybe it may lead us an Asian Economic Union, why not?

It does not worth to waste our times to eradicate Turcophobia and Islamophobia of Europeans; besides contribute their new Roman Empire dreams.

Turkesh had these dreams and they all came to nothing. You must not leave out 100s of millions of Chinese Turks who also want idependence from china. They may also wish to join such a group.

As far as negotiations are concerend, they are now at the give and take stage, so the red lines are about to be re-drawn. We shall see the outcome quite soon.


Turkesh dream was racist, mine is not racist; I'm just by taking into account the existing political circumstances, telling u the only possible and feasible future development in our region.

Being Turkish and being Turkis speaking people r different concepts....

As for the situation of Uygur Turks; it's really difficult for them but a solution could be found through negotiations between representatives of Turkish Union and Chinese Government.


or maybe instead of negotiations a full blooded invasion of china by turkey... :lol:

oh, i forgot, china is bigger than turkey... :lol:


Do u mean bigger than Turkish union? :lol: :lol:


hehehe titty man...there are 1.3 billion of them with one hell of a punch... :lol:

go for it if you got the balls... :lol:


Ahaa, it seems like u don't know much abt Turkish history. Roman Empire was bigger than the Ottman empire? :lol: :lol: U think size always matters eh? :lol:


bows and arrows don't count much these days titty man, otherwise the turks would have protected the azeris from getting gang raped by the armenians... :lol:


Ahaa, u r confusing the apples with peaches. :lol: There's someting that ur boomsy bumsy dumbazzy mind not able to comprehend and that is everything develops according to existing circumstances. When the right time comes required actions will be taken. There's nothing stronger than a very well studied and established plan. :lol:


I like your thinking...well then atleast you understand when everyone says one day Cyprus will be liberated hey titty man... :lol:

better start praying nothing happens to turkey then.... :lol;


Everyone says...? Aha I knew u were blind but didn't know that u r deaf as well. :lol: :lol: There r substantial amount of people say one day TRNC will be liberated... but u r deaf. :lol:


I might be deaf and blind in your eyes titty man but nothing compares to being a dipstick... :lol:


A dipstick like u say so... when ran out of galimatias arguments... :lol:


did I say dipstick?...sorry...dipshit is more likely.. :lol:


Keep coming up with more dipsticks, u lamer. :lol: U like having virtual amusements, eh? U poor galimatias. :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Sat May 23, 2009 4:53 pm

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insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
insan wrote:
ahristos wrote:eoka dont exist makarios in dead so turks what is your problem now
now we m in year 2009 so try to get solution and end this stupit problem
berlin is free nicosia not yet


Their spirits r still alive and still exerting to osmosis TC community. Leaders die but their spirits and thoughts r kept alive by their successors. They all serve their own national interests... Only in a regional sub-alliance that contains Turks-Greeks-TCs-GCs a genuine unification with little or no fears could be achieved...


unlike taksim and millitary occupation who have no need for spirits...they are both alive and well today.


What did u expect? If u dream we would ever accept minority status, u simply waste ur most valuable times.

Be a Cypriot , then you are part of the majority .


Do u mean; be a Greek Cypriot, praise EOKA "heroes", curse TMT "terrorists", applaud Greek Cypriot leaders, consider TC leaders as "traitors", accept Turkey as an "invader", Greece as number one ally, never oppose the historical lies and propaganda of Greek-GC duo, never oppose the common national interest policies of Greek-GC duo etc? Then I'm a "Cypriot" and in the majority? :lol: :lol: Milti, u sound like, just woke up from ur another dream again. :lol: :wink:

Insan, is Eroglu Dengtas Talat and Akinci the same, as they are all TC. Being a Cypriot means wanting to be part of Cyprus, but not under the boots of the Greek fascists. That is why we have negotiations to resolve the Cyprus problem. That is why everyone back to their homes and back to 1960 is not on the negotiating table.
Please have some faith that there is better days ahead, we just have to hope that these two leaders come to an agreement acceptable to both communities so we can move on and begin to build real bridges so the fascist can't knock them down at will.


It is crystal clear to me that a solution satisfactory to majority of 2 main communities of Cyprus is not possible. Greek-GC duo and Turk-TC duo have red lines that they don't tend to give up any of their red lines.

On the other hand, besides Turcophobia, islamophobia is also on the rise in Europe. US economy is going worse and it seems like through a collapse.

There's nothing wrong with non-geographic, confederal union of 7 Turkish states; to the contrary, there r too many benefits of such a union; even maybe it may lead us an Asian Economic Union, why not?

It does not worth to waste our times to eradicate Turcophobia and Islamophobia of Europeans; besides contribute their new Roman Empire dreams.

Turkesh had these dreams and they all came to nothing. You must not leave out 100s of millions of Chinese Turks who also want idependence from china. They may also wish to join such a group.

As far as negotiations are concerend, they are now at the give and take stage, so the red lines are about to be re-drawn. We shall see the outcome quite soon.


Turkesh dream was racist, mine is not racist; I'm just by taking into account the existing political circumstances, telling u the only possible and feasible future development in our region.

Being Turkish and being Turkis speaking people r different concepts....

As for the situation of Uygur Turks; it's really difficult for them but a solution could be found through negotiations between representatives of Turkish Union and Chinese Government.


or maybe instead of negotiations a full blooded invasion of china by turkey... :lol:

oh, i forgot, china is bigger than turkey... :lol:


Do u mean bigger than Turkish union? :lol: :lol:


hehehe titty man...there are 1.3 billion of them with one hell of a punch... :lol:

go for it if you got the balls... :lol:


Ahaa, it seems like u don't know much abt Turkish history. Roman Empire was bigger than the Ottman empire? :lol: :lol: U think size always matters eh? :lol:


bows and arrows don't count much these days titty man, otherwise the turks would have protected the azeris from getting gang raped by the armenians... :lol:


Ahaa, u r confusing the apples with peaches. :lol: There's someting that ur boomsy bumsy dumbazzy mind not able to comprehend and that is everything develops according to existing circumstances. When the right time comes required actions will be taken. There's nothing stronger than a very well studied and established plan. :lol:


I like your thinking...well then atleast you understand when everyone says one day Cyprus will be liberated hey titty man... :lol:

better start praying nothing happens to turkey then.... :lol;


Everyone says...? Aha I knew u were blind but didn't know that u r deaf as well. :lol: :lol: There r substantial amount of people say one day TRNC will be liberated... but u r deaf. :lol:


I might be deaf and blind in your eyes titty man but nothing compares to being a dipstick... :lol:


A dipstick like u say so... when ran out of galimatias arguments... :lol:


did I say dipstick?...sorry...dipshit is more likely.. :lol:


Keep coming up with more dipsticks, u lamer. :lol: U like having virtual amusements, eh? U poor galimatias. :lol:


you make to easy tity man.... :lol:

but in all seriousness is there a connection between your lobes?... :lol:
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Postby insan » Sat May 23, 2009 4:57 pm

boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
insan wrote:
ahristos wrote:eoka dont exist makarios in dead so turks what is your problem now
now we m in year 2009 so try to get solution and end this stupit problem
berlin is free nicosia not yet


Their spirits r still alive and still exerting to osmosis TC community. Leaders die but their spirits and thoughts r kept alive by their successors. They all serve their own national interests... Only in a regional sub-alliance that contains Turks-Greeks-TCs-GCs a genuine unification with little or no fears could be achieved...


unlike taksim and millitary occupation who have no need for spirits...they are both alive and well today.


What did u expect? If u dream we would ever accept minority status, u simply waste ur most valuable times.

Be a Cypriot , then you are part of the majority .


Do u mean; be a Greek Cypriot, praise EOKA "heroes", curse TMT "terrorists", applaud Greek Cypriot leaders, consider TC leaders as "traitors", accept Turkey as an "invader", Greece as number one ally, never oppose the historical lies and propaganda of Greek-GC duo, never oppose the common national interest policies of Greek-GC duo etc? Then I'm a "Cypriot" and in the majority? :lol: :lol: Milti, u sound like, just woke up from ur another dream again. :lol: :wink:

Insan, is Eroglu Dengtas Talat and Akinci the same, as they are all TC. Being a Cypriot means wanting to be part of Cyprus, but not under the boots of the Greek fascists. That is why we have negotiations to resolve the Cyprus problem. That is why everyone back to their homes and back to 1960 is not on the negotiating table.
Please have some faith that there is better days ahead, we just have to hope that these two leaders come to an agreement acceptable to both communities so we can move on and begin to build real bridges so the fascist can't knock them down at will.


It is crystal clear to me that a solution satisfactory to majority of 2 main communities of Cyprus is not possible. Greek-GC duo and Turk-TC duo have red lines that they don't tend to give up any of their red lines.

On the other hand, besides Turcophobia, islamophobia is also on the rise in Europe. US economy is going worse and it seems like through a collapse.

There's nothing wrong with non-geographic, confederal union of 7 Turkish states; to the contrary, there r too many benefits of such a union; even maybe it may lead us an Asian Economic Union, why not?

It does not worth to waste our times to eradicate Turcophobia and Islamophobia of Europeans; besides contribute their new Roman Empire dreams.

Turkesh had these dreams and they all came to nothing. You must not leave out 100s of millions of Chinese Turks who also want idependence from china. They may also wish to join such a group.

As far as negotiations are concerend, they are now at the give and take stage, so the red lines are about to be re-drawn. We shall see the outcome quite soon.


Turkesh dream was racist, mine is not racist; I'm just by taking into account the existing political circumstances, telling u the only possible and feasible future development in our region.

Being Turkish and being Turkis speaking people r different concepts....

As for the situation of Uygur Turks; it's really difficult for them but a solution could be found through negotiations between representatives of Turkish Union and Chinese Government.


or maybe instead of negotiations a full blooded invasion of china by turkey... :lol:

oh, i forgot, china is bigger than turkey... :lol:


Do u mean bigger than Turkish union? :lol: :lol:


hehehe titty man...there are 1.3 billion of them with one hell of a punch... :lol:

go for it if you got the balls... :lol:


Ahaa, it seems like u don't know much abt Turkish history. Roman Empire was bigger than the Ottman empire? :lol: :lol: U think size always matters eh? :lol:


bows and arrows don't count much these days titty man, otherwise the turks would have protected the azeris from getting gang raped by the armenians... :lol:


Ahaa, u r confusing the apples with peaches. :lol: There's someting that ur boomsy bumsy dumbazzy mind not able to comprehend and that is everything develops according to existing circumstances. When the right time comes required actions will be taken. There's nothing stronger than a very well studied and established plan. :lol:


I like your thinking...well then atleast you understand when everyone says one day Cyprus will be liberated hey titty man... :lol:

better start praying nothing happens to turkey then.... :lol;


Everyone says...? Aha I knew u were blind but didn't know that u r deaf as well. :lol: :lol: There r substantial amount of people say one day TRNC will be liberated... but u r deaf. :lol:


I might be deaf and blind in your eyes titty man but nothing compares to being a dipstick... :lol:


A dipstick like u say so... when ran out of galimatias arguments... :lol:


did I say dipstick?...sorry...dipshit is more likely.. :lol:


Keep coming up with more dipsticks, u lamer. :lol: U like having virtual amusements, eh? U poor galimatias. :lol:


you make to easy tity man.... :lol:

but in all seriousness is there a connection between your lobes?... :lol:


Why don't u try to go a Children's park and amuse urself? If it does not satisfy u, u may try to join among the people that have social inabilities; such as respecting freedom of speech and inability to talk without insulting words. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat May 23, 2009 5:26 pm

insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
insan wrote:
ahristos wrote:eoka dont exist makarios in dead so turks what is your problem now
now we m in year 2009 so try to get solution and end this stupit problem
berlin is free nicosia not yet


Their spirits r still alive and still exerting to osmosis TC community. Leaders die but their spirits and thoughts r kept alive by their successors. They all serve their own national interests... Only in a regional sub-alliance that contains Turks-Greeks-TCs-GCs a genuine unification with little or no fears could be achieved...


unlike taksim and millitary occupation who have no need for spirits...they are both alive and well today.


What did u expect? If u dream we would ever accept minority status, u simply waste ur most valuable times.

Be a Cypriot , then you are part of the majority .


Do u mean; be a Greek Cypriot, praise EOKA "heroes", curse TMT "terrorists", applaud Greek Cypriot leaders, consider TC leaders as "traitors", accept Turkey as an "invader", Greece as number one ally, never oppose the historical lies and propaganda of Greek-GC duo, never oppose the common national interest policies of Greek-GC duo etc? Then I'm a "Cypriot" and in the majority? :lol: :lol: Milti, u sound like, just woke up from ur another dream again. :lol: :wink:

Insan, is Eroglu Dengtas Talat and Akinci the same, as they are all TC. Being a Cypriot means wanting to be part of Cyprus, but not under the boots of the Greek fascists. That is why we have negotiations to resolve the Cyprus problem. That is why everyone back to their homes and back to 1960 is not on the negotiating table.
Please have some faith that there is better days ahead, we just have to hope that these two leaders come to an agreement acceptable to both communities so we can move on and begin to build real bridges so the fascist can't knock them down at will.


It is crystal clear to me that a solution satisfactory to majority of 2 main communities of Cyprus is not possible. Greek-GC duo and Turk-TC duo have red lines that they don't tend to give up any of their red lines.

On the other hand, besides Turcophobia, islamophobia is also on the rise in Europe. US economy is going worse and it seems like through a collapse.

There's nothing wrong with non-geographic, confederal union of 7 Turkish states; to the contrary, there r too many benefits of such a union; even maybe it may lead us an Asian Economic Union, why not?

It does not worth to waste our times to eradicate Turcophobia and Islamophobia of Europeans; besides contribute their new Roman Empire dreams.

Turkesh had these dreams and they all came to nothing. You must not leave out 100s of millions of Chinese Turks who also want idependence from china. They may also wish to join such a group.

As far as negotiations are concerend, they are now at the give and take stage, so the red lines are about to be re-drawn. We shall see the outcome quite soon.


Turkesh dream was racist, mine is not racist; I'm just by taking into account the existing political circumstances, telling u the only possible and feasible future development in our region.

Being Turkish and being Turkis speaking people r different concepts....

As for the situation of Uygur Turks; it's really difficult for them but a solution could be found through negotiations between representatives of Turkish Union and Chinese Government.


You will have a hard time with China. The Chinese gov has changed the demographics of the Xing-kiang province (Chinese Turkistan) dramatically. The import of the Han Chinese is continuous. Look what they have done with Tibet. I praise your optimism for the future of Xin-kiang. I wish them good luck. Perhaps Turkey is learning from the Chinese.
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Postby james_mav » Sat May 23, 2009 5:28 pm

denizaksulu wrote:You will have a hard time with China. The Chinese gov has changed the demographics of the Xing-kiang province (Chinese Turkistan) dramatically. The import of the Han Chinese is continuous. Look what they have done with Tibet. I praise your optimism for the future of Xin-kiang. I wish them good luck. Perhaps Turkey is learning from the Chinese.

You mean perhaps China is learning from turkey...the chinese noticed how well the mongs are going in Cypriot turkistan.
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Postby boomerang » Sat May 23, 2009 6:26 pm

insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
DT. wrote:
insan wrote:
ahristos wrote:eoka dont exist makarios in dead so turks what is your problem now
now we m in year 2009 so try to get solution and end this stupit problem
berlin is free nicosia not yet


Their spirits r still alive and still exerting to osmosis TC community. Leaders die but their spirits and thoughts r kept alive by their successors. They all serve their own national interests... Only in a regional sub-alliance that contains Turks-Greeks-TCs-GCs a genuine unification with little or no fears could be achieved...


unlike taksim and millitary occupation who have no need for spirits...they are both alive and well today.


What did u expect? If u dream we would ever accept minority status, u simply waste ur most valuable times.

Be a Cypriot , then you are part of the majority .


Do u mean; be a Greek Cypriot, praise EOKA "heroes", curse TMT "terrorists", applaud Greek Cypriot leaders, consider TC leaders as "traitors", accept Turkey as an "invader", Greece as number one ally, never oppose the historical lies and propaganda of Greek-GC duo, never oppose the common national interest policies of Greek-GC duo etc? Then I'm a "Cypriot" and in the majority? :lol: :lol: Milti, u sound like, just woke up from ur another dream again. :lol: :wink:

Insan, is Eroglu Dengtas Talat and Akinci the same, as they are all TC. Being a Cypriot means wanting to be part of Cyprus, but not under the boots of the Greek fascists. That is why we have negotiations to resolve the Cyprus problem. That is why everyone back to their homes and back to 1960 is not on the negotiating table.
Please have some faith that there is better days ahead, we just have to hope that these two leaders come to an agreement acceptable to both communities so we can move on and begin to build real bridges so the fascist can't knock them down at will.


It is crystal clear to me that a solution satisfactory to majority of 2 main communities of Cyprus is not possible. Greek-GC duo and Turk-TC duo have red lines that they don't tend to give up any of their red lines.

On the other hand, besides Turcophobia, islamophobia is also on the rise in Europe. US economy is going worse and it seems like through a collapse.

There's nothing wrong with non-geographic, confederal union of 7 Turkish states; to the contrary, there r too many benefits of such a union; even maybe it may lead us an Asian Economic Union, why not?

It does not worth to waste our times to eradicate Turcophobia and Islamophobia of Europeans; besides contribute their new Roman Empire dreams.

Turkesh had these dreams and they all came to nothing. You must not leave out 100s of millions of Chinese Turks who also want idependence from china. They may also wish to join such a group.

As far as negotiations are concerend, they are now at the give and take stage, so the red lines are about to be re-drawn. We shall see the outcome quite soon.


Turkesh dream was racist, mine is not racist; I'm just by taking into account the existing political circumstances, telling u the only possible and feasible future development in our region.

Being Turkish and being Turkis speaking people r different concepts....

As for the situation of Uygur Turks; it's really difficult for them but a solution could be found through negotiations between representatives of Turkish Union and Chinese Government.


or maybe instead of negotiations a full blooded invasion of china by turkey... :lol:

oh, i forgot, china is bigger than turkey... :lol:


Do u mean bigger than Turkish union? :lol: :lol:


hehehe titty man...there are 1.3 billion of them with one hell of a punch... :lol:

go for it if you got the balls... :lol:


Ahaa, it seems like u don't know much abt Turkish history. Roman Empire was bigger than the Ottman empire? :lol: :lol: U think size always matters eh? :lol:


bows and arrows don't count much these days titty man, otherwise the turks would have protected the azeris from getting gang raped by the armenians... :lol:


Ahaa, u r confusing the apples with peaches. :lol: There's someting that ur boomsy bumsy dumbazzy mind not able to comprehend and that is everything develops according to existing circumstances. When the right time comes required actions will be taken. There's nothing stronger than a very well studied and established plan. :lol:


I like your thinking...well then atleast you understand when everyone says one day Cyprus will be liberated hey titty man... :lol:

better start praying nothing happens to turkey then.... :lol;


Everyone says...? Aha I knew u were blind but didn't know that u r deaf as well. :lol: :lol: There r substantial amount of people say one day TRNC will be liberated... but u r deaf. :lol:


I might be deaf and blind in your eyes titty man but nothing compares to being a dipstick... :lol:


A dipstick like u say so... when ran out of galimatias arguments... :lol:


did I say dipstick?...sorry...dipshit is more likely.. :lol:


Keep coming up with more dipsticks, u lamer. :lol: U like having virtual amusements, eh? U poor galimatias. :lol:


you make to easy tity man.... :lol:

but in all seriousness is there a connection between your lobes?... :lol:


Why don't u try to go a Children's park and amuse urself? If it does not satisfy u, u may try to join among the people that have social inabilities; such as respecting freedom of speech and inability to talk without insulting words. :lol: :lol: :lol:


back from my midnight walk while chatting with the ladies of night...and what do I see?....titty man moaning and groaning giving instructions... :lol:

I ask myself...what's the point?...I am talking to a chiild here anyway titty man... :lol:

Now why not explain to me your theory on globalization and capitalisation giving the forum an idea on your fornification... :lol:
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Postby ahristos » Thu May 28, 2009 9:28 am

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Re: British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court S

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:10 am

...still in the news,

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/10/30/oram ... thorities/

...it seems that the house was not torn down, that the taxes by them, thus were not fully paid, and that the "possession" of it by the regime is as unclear.

...someone should sue the Orams.

cheers.
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Re: British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court S

Postby Mustiejodu » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:13 am

WE ARE OUT HIP HIP HARRAY. Good bye EU. We are free from the shekles of EU. Remember how it felt being under the British rule and then being independent ROC. Well that’s how we feel in the UK NOW.
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Re: British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court S

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:28 pm

...and what are you drinking, Mustiejodu?
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