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[74LB]

I've read some of the many threads in these forums regarding the Orams case and the recent judgement. Without a doubt, our TC leadership has created this problem and should now take on the responsibility for resolving it.

Anybody who has been to the TRNC could see for himself where we were heading. Allowing uncontrolled numbers of new properties, hotels, etc to be built on someone else's land, regardless of whether it was exchanged, gifted, stolen, whatever was sheer and utter incompetence.

We knew it would end in tears, so its no good crying now. But now is the time for our leadership to take responsibility and show that it is able to resolve this whole problem once and for all.

As a TC, I am sick and tired of this.

[YFred]

74LB this case is going for quite some time yet, so I am afraid you will just have to ignore it until its finalised. One thing for certain though is that the people in the north who created this situation are back in power.

[insan]

I've read some of the many threads in these forums regarding the Orams case and the recent judgement. Without a doubt, our TC leadership has created this problem and should now take on the responsibility for resolving it.

Anybody who has been to the TRNC could see for himself where we were heading. Allowing uncontrolled numbers of new properties, hotels, etc to be built on someone else's land, regardless of whether it was exchanged, gifted, stolen, whatever was sheer and utter incompetence.

We knew it would end in tears, so its no good crying now. But now is the time for our leadership to take responsibility and show that it is able to resolve this whole problem once and for all.

As a TC, I am sick and tired of this.

I totally agree with u.

[Viewpoint]

Now the Oramses should counter sue the "ROC" for the land in the south and the GCs can no longer link anything to a solution or else they should have done the same in this case.

Sue them VP! I hope you all do, and I hope you all come and take your properties. With only very few exceptions, it is all here waiting for you. In fact, the more of you do so, the more our position regarding our properties in the north is strengthened, because you will no longer use the lies you tell the British regarding "exchange" land.

PS: Your newly elected leader, Eroglu, among other rubbish and nonsense he uttered in his interview in "Simerini" newspaper on Sunday, he also said that after 1974 we have made an "exchange of populations" agreement, between north and south[sic!] When did this happen and none of us is aware of it? Don't you feel ashamed to have elected a leader that lies in such a provocative manner?

Kifeas believe it or not there are TCs who have not claimed anything but due to a hardening of views they are now considering taking the "RoC" to court just on principle either to prove they discriminate or to get the right to their land in the south prior to a solution.

The other side of the coin are those who now will use the exchanged land is not valid arguement and still claim land in the south, this will open the way for double dipping which the GCs have no way of checking as they adamantly do not communicate with the TRNC authorities which in this case they should.

What are the property prices like in the Gandu area?

[Viewpoint]

Oramses should counter sue?? Counter sue for what?

Why can't they sue the Turk who sold them the land in the first place or the "TRNC" who encouraged them? Or they could sue themselves for being fat, ugly dumbasses who didn't see it coming. Or Cherie Blair who insisted they go to the ECJ. Or they could just blow their gaudy house up, pay the rightful owner compensation and slink off back to England and just be thankful they still have a roof over their heads to protect them from the English rain.

What ever happens looks like the Lawyers will get very rich very quick because there will be so many people suing one another.

[DT.]

Now the Oramses should counter sue the "ROC" for the land in the south and the GCs can no longer link anything to a solution or else they should have done the same in this case.

Sue them VP! I hope you all do, and I hope you all come and take your properties. With only very few exceptions, it is all here waiting for you. In fact, the more of you do so, the more our position regarding our properties in the north is strengthened, because you will no longer use the lies you tell the British regarding "exchange" land.

PS: Your newly elected leader, Eroglu, among other rubbish and nonsense he uttered in his interview in "Simerini" newspaper on Sunday, he also said that after 1974 we have made an "exchange of populations" agreement, between north and south[sic!] When did this happen and none of us is aware of it? Don't you feel ashamed to have elected a leader that lies in such a provocative manner?

Kifeas believe it or not there are TCs who have not claimed anything but due to a hardening of views they are now considering taking the "RoC" to court just on principle either to prove they discriminate or to get the right to their land in the south prior to a solution.

The other side of the coin are those who now will use the exchanged land is not valid arguement and still claim land in the south, this will open the way for double dipping which the GCs have no way of checking as they adamantly do not communicate with the TRNC authorities which in this case they should.

What are the property prices like in the Gandu area?

Tc after TC has come here and other threads on this forum and said that the uncontrolled free for all that the occupied regime has been encouraging was bound to blow up in your face and yet here you are...still spitting...still insisting that you represent all tc's...still blaming all you woes on the Greek Cypriots.

What exactly makes you so angry? The fact that its harder to sell GC land in the north now? Or the fact that we would like nothing better than for all TCs to claim there land in the govt controlled areas?

[Viewpoint]

There was never any exchange VP. You saw the numbers. 167.000 GC refugees forced out of north Cyprus at gun point, and 40.000 TCs who moved to the north in order to achieve the dream of partition they had since the 1950s.

Our refugees are only housed temporarily in the south until all of them are allowed to return to their own homes which you illegally occupy. Non of them was given any "exchange land" or any title deeds for TC properties.

On the other hand, most TCs, including many of those who were already living in the north part of Cyprus in 74, were a lot of Greek Cypriot properties (many times more than what they left behind in the south) with fake title deeds. They then used this fake title deeds to sell our properties to foreigners.

If it makes you feel better go ahead and sue them Piratis, get your GC courts to manufacter a verdict in a couple of days, take it to the EU and get it enforced, like to see the first enforcement.

[insan]

74LB this case is going for quite some time yet, so I am afraid you will just have to ignore it until its finalised. One thing for certain though is that the people in the north who created this situation are back in power.

The TC civil iniatives and media should pressurize UBP to give priority to solve the property ownership but not with one sided and self-favoured TRNC property compensation/exchange board.

[Viewpoint]

They can just agree for everybody to be given his land back. It is them who refuse to accept this, not us.

We have absolutely no problem with those 40.000 TC and those 167.000 GCs returning to their own homes. Do you have a problem with this VP?

No I dont but some will have to wait until a comprehensive solution is found to either get their land back or accept compensation.

[erolz3]

Don't you feel ashamed to have elected a leader that lies in such a provocative manner?

To present the actual agreement made by the two communites post 74 under UN offices to allow anyone on either side who wanted to safely move to the other under UN supervision as the communities having made a population exchange agreement, is a cynical manipulation of reality designed to create a biased impression of the truth as possible about an actual reality.

Pretty much in the same way the claim below seeks to do the same about a different reality.

167.000 GC refugees forced out of north Cyprus at gun point, and 40.000 TCs who moved to the north in order to achieve the dream of partition they had since the 1950s.

Then there are the straight bald face lies not based on any reality at all, like TP's imfamous claim that no TC were killed between 63 and 74.

Both sides have and continue to seek to manipulate truth and reality to present their side as favourably as possible and the other as unfavourably as possible. At the indivdual level and at the highest political levels. This is unlikely to change. If we are ever going to get anywhere in discussions like these then in my opinion we have to stop playing this 'look how bad your side' game is , when in reality we have to know that ours are little different.

Yes the calim re population exchanges is outrageous but please lets not pretend that this is something only one side does.